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At least, Google's thing would work when I clicked the link. For this one I have to install some latest Microsoft browser-disruption technology.

by dchest 17y ago

riffic 17y ago
Microsoft doesn't give two shits about emerging web standards or cross-platform compatibility. it's like they have their fingers in their collective ears going "LA LA LA I can't hear you"
Teulon 17y ago
I had a similar thought. Once I saw that it required Silverlight there was no point in learning more.
- DrJokepu 17y ago
  Thank you for sharing your well-researched insightful opinion that clearly reflects many decades of experience in the industry. It's exactly for comments like this I come to Hacker News every day, I feel like I learn new things all the time. (Sorry for the rant)
  - dschobel 17y ago
    Taking issue with the requirements is a perfectly legitimate technical complaint and you see lots of people complain when some new web application is flash-only. There's some hyper-sensitivity going on here today.
    - rbanffy 17y ago
      Hyper-reactions are always telling. My bet is that these people feel somewhat threatened. The fact some Microsoft users and enthusiasts feel that way here is, itself, very interesting.
agazso 17y ago
I even had Silverlight installed (version 2.0), but I needed to upgrade to 3.0, by downloading Silverlight.exe, going through a traditional installer, restarting the browser only to find out that it's only a boring marketing video with talking heads. I expected that I could at least try out some demo online.
jimbobimbo 17y ago
Yeah, right, that Twitter Go example that you did -- you didn't have to download and install Google Go or read its documentation to get started. So much for "google's thing would work when I click the link"... Talk about biased.
- freetard 17y ago
  His twitter go example wasn't supposed to run in the browser.
  - jimbobimbo 17y ago
    My point is that for stuff coming from G or A people here are ready to walk an extra mile. If stuff is coming from M -- that's it, end of journey right on the headline.
    - allenbrunson 17y ago
      you're aware that most of us didn't get that bias by accident, right? microsoft has a long, LONG history of being not a good company to rely on or work with. therefore, anything coming from them has to be especially compelling before people here are going to get excited about it.
      - jimbobimbo 17y ago
        Oh, please. It's not A that have completely unpredictable app store approval process, or not G that may release a free version of your beloved startup anytime they feel the urge to get more eyeballs for their properties. It's definitely more reliable than M, yeah.
      - fnid 17y ago
        I'd say Microsoft's history is quite the opposite. The oft cited example is that Visicalc, from the 80's still works! I'd say that's a pretty reliable platform. How many apple products from the 80's run on Leopard? And on the other side, lots of google products are already defunct and they aren't even half M's age.
gaustin 17y ago
Do you have a Flash player installed? If so, what's the difference between Adobe's browser-disruption technology and Microsoft's? I'd agree that content requiring either is almost universally annoying, but at some point you have to compromise if you want to investigate something that may be worthwhile/interesting/worth ridiculing.
- simonw 17y ago
  It's not just Silverlight - I installed that, then tried to access the demo URLs and was told I needed to install Pivot as well. Which isn't available for the Mac. http://content.getpivot.com/Collections/dogbreeds/dogbreeds.cxml http://content.getpivot.com/Collections/dogbreeds/dogbreeds....
  - pavs 17y ago
    Why would expect it to be available for the ma?. The headline clearly said its from Microsoft.
    - allenbrunson 17y ago
      are you aware that word, excel, powerpoint, and yes, even silverlight are all available for the mac?
      - windsurfer 17y ago
        Although you are right, they are, they almost certainly weren't when they first came out.
        tremendo 17y ago
        Excel, the first GUI-based Word and Powerpoint were out for the Mac first in mid-to-late 1980's. Windows wasn't ready for them. Multiplan and the original Word were DOS apps. I know it's irrelevant to this Post, just a historical note. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PowerPoint http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PowerPoint http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Word http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Word

At least, Google's thing would work when I clicked the link. For this one I have to install some latest Microsoft browser-disruption technology.

by dchest 17y ago

At least, Google's thing would work when I clicked the link. For this one I have to install some latest Microsoft browser-disruption technology.

riffic 17y ago

Microsoft doesn't give two shits about emerging web standards or cross-platform compatibility. it's like they have their fingers in their collective ears going "LA LA LA I can't hear you"

Teulon 17y ago

I had a similar thought. Once I saw that it required Silverlight there was no point in learning more.

DrJokepu 17y ago
Thank you for sharing your well-researched insightful opinion that clearly reflects many decades of experience in the industry. It's exactly for comments like this I come to Hacker News every day, I feel like I learn new things all the time. (Sorry for the rant)
- dschobel 17y ago
  Taking issue with the requirements is a perfectly legitimate technical complaint and you see lots of people complain when some new web application is flash-only. There's some hyper-sensitivity going on here today.
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    Hyper-reactions are always telling. My bet is that these people feel somewhat threatened. The fact some Microsoft users and enthusiasts feel that way here is, itself, very interesting.

agazso 17y ago

I even had Silverlight installed (version 2.0), but I needed to upgrade to 3.0, by downloading Silverlight.exe, going through a traditional installer, restarting the browser only to find out that it's only a boring marketing video with talking heads. I expected that I could at least try out some demo online.

jimbobimbo 17y ago

Yeah, right, that Twitter Go example that you did -- you didn't have to download and install Google Go or read its documentation to get started. So much for "google's thing would work when I click the link"... Talk about biased.

freetard 17y ago
His twitter go example wasn't supposed to run in the browser.
- jimbobimbo 17y ago
  My point is that for stuff coming from G or A people here are ready to walk an extra mile. If stuff is coming from M -- that's it, end of journey right on the headline.
  - allenbrunson 17y ago
    you're aware that most of us didn't get that bias by accident, right? microsoft has a long, LONG history of being not a good company to rely on or work with. therefore, anything coming from them has to be especially compelling before people here are going to get excited about it.
    - jimbobimbo 17y ago
      Oh, please. It's not A that have completely unpredictable app store approval process, or not G that may release a free version of your beloved startup anytime they feel the urge to get more eyeballs for their properties. It's definitely more reliable than M, yeah.
    - fnid 17y ago
      I'd say Microsoft's history is quite the opposite. The oft cited example is that Visicalc, from the 80's still works! I'd say that's a pretty reliable platform. How many apple products from the 80's run on Leopard? And on the other side, lots of google products are already defunct and they aren't even half M's age.

gaustin 17y ago

Do you have a Flash player installed? If so, what's the difference between Adobe's browser-disruption technology and Microsoft's? I'd agree that content requiring either is almost universally annoying, but at some point you have to compromise if you want to investigate something that may be worthwhile/interesting/worth ridiculing.

simonw 17y ago
It's not just Silverlight - I installed that, then tried to access the demo URLs and was told I needed to install Pivot as well. Which isn't available for the Mac. http://content.getpivot.com/Collections/dogbreeds/dogbreeds.cxml http://content.getpivot.com/Collections/dogbreeds/dogbreeds....
- pavs 17y ago
  Why would expect it to be available for the ma?. The headline clearly said its from Microsoft.
  - allenbrunson 17y ago
    are you aware that word, excel, powerpoint, and yes, even silverlight are all available for the mac?
    - windsurfer 17y ago
      Although you are right, they are, they almost certainly weren't when they first came out.
      - tremendo 17y ago
        Excel, the first GUI-based Word and Powerpoint were out for the Mac first in mid-to-late 1980's. Windows wasn't ready for them. Multiplan and the original Word were DOS apps. I know it's irrelevant to this Post, just a historical note. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PowerPoint http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PowerPoint http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Word http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Word