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"didn't they need to be with their peers and suffer all the harsh experiences that entails" Around some people, there's a belief that "doing time makes your a

"didn't they need to be with their peers and suffer all the harsh experiences that entails" Around some people, there's a belief that "doing time makes your a person" But you know what. Regular folks avoid going to prison. Moreover, they avoid doing things leading to that outcome. Why would you submit your child to prison-like environment? It's not like adults are routinely exposed to that kind of experience. Certainly not required for leading a productive life.

learc83 11y ago
I've never understood this at all. Outside of public school, I've only encountered one other similar environment--my first retail job after high school. After that, social interactions have been nothing at all like what school prepared me for.
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  Worse still, school un-prepairs you from healthy interactions. You grow all kinds of needles, you become wary of people and insecure. It takes literally years of your life to overcome that. Sometimes forever.
adrusi 11y ago
Because even the social environments that don't resemble schools are created by, operated by, and comprised of people who learned how to interact socially in the school environment. This means that many of the subtle conventions that underly the more visible dynamics will be intuitive to someone with a school background, and inaccessible to someone without it. The issue is exacerbated by the fact that the school environment is unnatural and irrational, and so its customs will never follow from common sense. Also, not sharing a huge formative experience with the rest of the population makes it harder to empathize with them.
- toothbrush 11y ago
  > comprised of people who learned how to interact socially in the school environment. [...] This means that many of the subtle conventions that underly the more visible dynamics will be intuitive to someone with a school background I am sceptical. I think that these effects are, as you say, subtle, and given how people are able to emigrate/immigrate when adults and still manage to fit in with foreign customs, etc., seems like evidence to me that it isn't all that bad. All foreign customs are unnatural and irrational when viewed by the outsider—i experience this daily in the country where i'm currently living (been here 3 years, it still seems bizarre sometimes, even though i'm reasonably integrated with local friends and SO etc). Anyway, perhaps i'm comparing apples to oranges :).

learc83 11y ago

I've never understood this at all. Outside of public school, I've only encountered one other similar environment--my first retail job after high school. After that, social interactions have been nothing at all like what school prepared me for.

guard-of-terra 11y ago
Worse still, school un-prepairs you from healthy interactions. You grow all kinds of needles, you become wary of people and insecure. It takes literally years of your life to overcome that. Sometimes forever.

adrusi 11y ago

Because even the social environments that don't resemble schools are created by, operated by, and comprised of people who learned how to interact socially in the school environment. This means that many of the subtle conventions that underly the more visible dynamics will be intuitive to someone with a school background, and inaccessible to someone without it. The issue is exacerbated by the fact that the school environment is unnatural and irrational, and so its customs will never follow from common sense. Also, not sharing a huge formative experience with the rest of the population makes it harder to empathize with them.

toothbrush 11y ago
> comprised of people who learned how to interact socially in the school environment. [...] This means that many of the subtle conventions that underly the more visible dynamics will be intuitive to someone with a school background I am sceptical. I think that these effects are, as you say, subtle, and given how people are able to emigrate/immigrate when adults and still manage to fit in with foreign customs, etc., seems like evidence to me that it isn't all that bad. All foreign customs are unnatural and irrational when viewed by the outsider—i experience this daily in the country where i'm currently living (been here 3 years, it still seems bizarre sometimes, even though i'm reasonably integrated with local friends and SO etc). Anyway, perhaps i'm comparing apples to oranges :).