I never said it didn't have those things; I'm not sure why you're still talking about them. I said Java has an impoverished model of abstraction, and without e

I never said it didn't have those things; I'm not sure why you're still talking about them. I said Java has an impoverished model of abstraction, and without external tools (byte-code manipulation, libraries, etc) it still doesn't. Then you brought up not-Java, which I also didn't talk about. You brought those up because those do have better models of abstraction than Java does, which effectively concedes my point.