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"I thought it was a CIA surveillance device." What sort of reasoning is that to fire a shotgun at a drone? If it was a CIA device he'd be up for a whole lot mo

"I thought it was a CIA surveillance device." What sort of reasoning is that to fire a shotgun at a drone? If it was a CIA device he'd be up for a whole lot more than $850. I don't think the CIA take you to Small Claims.

jen729w 11y ago
What possesses some dude out in the sticks to think the CIA might be remotely interested in him, I'll never know.
- DanBC 11y ago
  Snowden?
  - shiggerino 11y ago
    Anyone legitimately targeted by the intelligence community should be intelligent enough not to try to beat them in a fire fight. This man is obviously either mentally ill or just takes pleasure in ruining things for other people. Probably the latter, unless he thought the door by their garage was a secret portal for CIA agents to travel through.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      Snowden has made many people aware that they're being surveilled all the time. CIA SURVEILLANCE DRONES isn't the most extreme conspiracy theory. It's interesting that you use mental illness to describe violent behaviour you don't understand. That kind of stigmatising use of language contributes to a culture where shooting and killing the mentally ill is common. (About 500 people with mental health problems are shot and killed by police in the US each year. http://tacreports.org/storage/documents/2013-justifiable-homicides.pdf http://tacreports.org/storage/documents/2013-justifiable-hom...
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      - toothbrush 11y ago
        > It's interesting that you use mental illness to describe violent behaviour you don't understand. It's not so unreasonable. Perhaps the shooter has a very logical reason for having shot at the drone (and the neighbour's house, previously), but it seems to me very unlikely that there is any other reason than paranoia or recklessness. Having said that, i expect that a judge and/or mental health professional should evaluate this more carefully and with better access to facts than you or i on a forum somewhere—i'm just outing an opinion, not saying the shooter should indeed be treated/medicated/institutionalised. > That kind of stigmatising use of language contributes to a culture where shooting and killing the mentally ill is common. I actually think this is the wrong way around. I agree that we should recognise mental illness as a serious problem, and offer individuals who are suffering from it (and potentially endangering their entourage) professional help. I fail to see how suggesting that this shooter is mentally ill would contribute to the shooting and killing of mentally ill patients—on the contrary, it should lead to a more adapted response to this situation, instead of laughing it off or throwing a potentially mentally ill person in jail, which will be counter-productive, if anything. This shooter is not being stigmatised at all, as i see it: attention is being drawn to a potential sufferer who is not receiving (adequate) care.
        hga 11y ago
        That said, "recklessness" is not by itself "mental illness", and from the emails it doesn't sound like this guy is suffering from clinical paranoia. He comes off more as a "jerk", which is not by itself actionable even in the bad old days when we did lock up the "crazy", until he acts like this that endanger others, and the criminal justice system sounds like the right venue to me (ignoring the minor detail that nowadays invoking the police is to be avoided at nearly all costs). Hmmm, for that matter, if he appeared to be genuinely mentally ill, I don't think there's a way to deal with him without involving the police at some point or another.
        11y ago
uhwhat 11y ago
A bad excuse to hide his responsibility.
shiggerino 11y ago
I'm curious to see if Terry chimes in on this, given the subject matter.
gnoway 11y ago
It wasn't a reason, it was an excuse. He wanted to shoot the drone down, so he did and then made up a reason.
- savanaly 11y ago
  We don't know any of these people, why are we judging them? Sorry to pick your comment, I had this thought after reading any given comment in this thread. Suppress the instinct to judge people you don't know, it is tempting but pernicious, and (occasionally) the path to great evil.

jen729w 11y ago

What possesses some dude out in the sticks to think the CIA might be remotely interested in him, I'll never know.

DanBC 11y ago
Snowden?
- shiggerino 11y ago
  Anyone legitimately targeted by the intelligence community should be intelligent enough not to try to beat them in a fire fight. This man is obviously either mentally ill or just takes pleasure in ruining things for other people. Probably the latter, unless he thought the door by their garage was a secret portal for CIA agents to travel through.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    Snowden has made many people aware that they're being surveilled all the time. CIA SURVEILLANCE DRONES isn't the most extreme conspiracy theory. It's interesting that you use mental illness to describe violent behaviour you don't understand. That kind of stigmatising use of language contributes to a culture where shooting and killing the mentally ill is common. (About 500 people with mental health problems are shot and killed by police in the US each year. http://tacreports.org/storage/documents/2013-justifiable-homicides.pdf http://tacreports.org/storage/documents/2013-justifiable-hom...
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    - toothbrush 11y ago
      > It's interesting that you use mental illness to describe violent behaviour you don't understand. It's not so unreasonable. Perhaps the shooter has a very logical reason for having shot at the drone (and the neighbour's house, previously), but it seems to me very unlikely that there is any other reason than paranoia or recklessness. Having said that, i expect that a judge and/or mental health professional should evaluate this more carefully and with better access to facts than you or i on a forum somewhere—i'm just outing an opinion, not saying the shooter should indeed be treated/medicated/institutionalised. > That kind of stigmatising use of language contributes to a culture where shooting and killing the mentally ill is common. I actually think this is the wrong way around. I agree that we should recognise mental illness as a serious problem, and offer individuals who are suffering from it (and potentially endangering their entourage) professional help. I fail to see how suggesting that this shooter is mentally ill would contribute to the shooting and killing of mentally ill patients—on the contrary, it should lead to a more adapted response to this situation, instead of laughing it off or throwing a potentially mentally ill person in jail, which will be counter-productive, if anything. This shooter is not being stigmatised at all, as i see it: attention is being drawn to a potential sufferer who is not receiving (adequate) care.
      - hga 11y ago
        That said, "recklessness" is not by itself "mental illness", and from the emails it doesn't sound like this guy is suffering from clinical paranoia. He comes off more as a "jerk", which is not by itself actionable even in the bad old days when we did lock up the "crazy", until he acts like this that endanger others, and the criminal justice system sounds like the right venue to me (ignoring the minor detail that nowadays invoking the police is to be avoided at nearly all costs). Hmmm, for that matter, if he appeared to be genuinely mentally ill, I don't think there's a way to deal with him without involving the police at some point or another.
        11y ago

uhwhat 11y ago

A bad excuse to hide his responsibility.

shiggerino 11y ago

I'm curious to see if Terry chimes in on this, given the subject matter.

gnoway 11y ago

It wasn't a reason, it was an excuse. He wanted to shoot the drone down, so he did and then made up a reason.

savanaly 11y ago
We don't know any of these people, why are we judging them? Sorry to pick your comment, I had this thought after reading any given comment in this thread. Suppress the instinct to judge people you don't know, it is tempting but pernicious, and (occasionally) the path to great evil.