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Under the same circumstances there is no way I could ever be as civil as that dude, so major props to him. The most alarming part of the whole thing: >This is

Under the same circumstances there is no way I could ever be as civil as that dude, so major props to him. The most alarming part of the whole thing: >This is the third time discharge from your firearms has hit our house and property. The first incident left a bullet hole in the door by our garage. I don't even know what to say, this guy obviously is reckless and irresponsible about how he uses his guns.

GigabyteCoin 11y ago
If that happened in Canada you would be in jail after the first offence. I know a buddy who owns a gun, and he is only allowed to discharge it at a gun range. And he is only allowed to carry his gun on his person if he is on the way to the gun range.
- justin66 11y ago
  In Modesto, CA unlawful discharge of a firearm (firing into a neighbor's yard because you believe the CIA is flying a surveillance drone there probably qualifies) might land you in jail as well. The victim didn't call the police.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 11y ago
    That just raises more questions. Forgive me, I'm Australian. Why, after having live fire arms discharged in your direction (on 3 separate occasions) did the victim NOT call the police? And why after going to small claims court, was the shooter not brought up on this? The shooter doesn't appear to have disputed the claim that he shot in the direction of someone else's property.
    - spiritplumber 11y ago
      I wouldn't call the American police on a burglar, if I caught him. They have too high a chance of being insane and dangerous, and someone might get shot even if the situation has settled, and it might even be me. (This has, in fact, happened. Turns out the guy didn't know I was home and just wanted a place to sleep, so I put him up in the living room on an air bed and told him to take a shower before leaving)
      - nekopa 11y ago
        Are you talking about the police being insane and dangerous?
        DennisP 11y ago
        The Guardian seems to think they're pretty dangerous: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-p... More anecdotally, I've seen quite a few stories of people who called police for fairly routine visits that ended with somebody getting shot, after the police escalated the situation.
        mcv 11y ago
        I regularly see stories about Americans calling the police and getting shot as a result.
        krapp 11y ago
        If you regularly see stories about it, then it must be a common occurrence. Like how everyone who uses TOR is a pedophile or terrorist.
        hga 11y ago
        Thing is, we have numerous specific atrocities that are cited in these stories, which we do not, to my knowledge, have about Tor.
        krapp 11y ago
        No, the thing is that violent encounters with the police are reported by the media, and nonviolent encounters are not, because they're not news. Based on reporting, one could also assume American blacks are violent thugs, Muslims are hate filled radicals, and all the Jews in the world are in Israel.
        11y ago
    - bottled_poe 11y ago
      The drone operator probably would prefer not to get the authorities involved for a few reasons: 1. It is usually less hassle to attempt a mutual resolution without involving a third party. 2. The local authorities may restrict the use of the drones. 3. It is generally a good idea to be on good terms with your neighbours.
hga 11y ago
Indeed, very much a Rule 4 violation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper#Firearms_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper#Firearms_safety). The 2nd one of bird shot landing in his back yard isn't such a big deal, it wouldn't be at a high velocity by that time, but there's absolutely no excuse for it, skeet shooting is not an impromptu activity vs. a foolish opportunist shot at a drone. And the first incident, which sounds a lot more serious, ought to have resulted in a discussion, if not further action.
- gknoy 11y ago
  Is it? If the drone's flying over my property, over the tree line, and my neighbor shoots it, it'd have to be at an angle where there's nothing directly behind it.
  - hga 11y ago
    "4. Identify your target, and what is behind it." is short for wherever the bullet or shot will end up, be it deflected if you're shooting at a surface at a low angle, or in an arc coming down. For shotguns, it's fundamental to be aware of where the shot comes down.

GigabyteCoin 11y ago

If that happened in Canada you would be in jail after the first offence. I know a buddy who owns a gun, and he is only allowed to discharge it at a gun range. And he is only allowed to carry his gun on his person if he is on the way to the gun range.

justin66 11y ago
In Modesto, CA unlawful discharge of a firearm (firing into a neighbor's yard because you believe the CIA is flying a surveillance drone there probably qualifies) might land you in jail as well. The victim didn't call the police.
- 2muchcoffeeman 11y ago
  That just raises more questions. Forgive me, I'm Australian. Why, after having live fire arms discharged in your direction (on 3 separate occasions) did the victim NOT call the police? And why after going to small claims court, was the shooter not brought up on this? The shooter doesn't appear to have disputed the claim that he shot in the direction of someone else's property.
  - spiritplumber 11y ago
    I wouldn't call the American police on a burglar, if I caught him. They have too high a chance of being insane and dangerous, and someone might get shot even if the situation has settled, and it might even be me. (This has, in fact, happened. Turns out the guy didn't know I was home and just wanted a place to sleep, so I put him up in the living room on an air bed and told him to take a shower before leaving)
    - nekopa 11y ago
      Are you talking about the police being insane and dangerous?
      - DennisP 11y ago
        The Guardian seems to think they're pretty dangerous: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-p... More anecdotally, I've seen quite a few stories of people who called police for fairly routine visits that ended with somebody getting shot, after the police escalated the situation.
      - mcv 11y ago
        I regularly see stories about Americans calling the police and getting shot as a result.
        krapp 11y ago
        If you regularly see stories about it, then it must be a common occurrence. Like how everyone who uses TOR is a pedophile or terrorist.
        hga 11y ago
        Thing is, we have numerous specific atrocities that are cited in these stories, which we do not, to my knowledge, have about Tor.
        krapp 11y ago
        No, the thing is that violent encounters with the police are reported by the media, and nonviolent encounters are not, because they're not news. Based on reporting, one could also assume American blacks are violent thugs, Muslims are hate filled radicals, and all the Jews in the world are in Israel.
        11y ago
  - bottled_poe 11y ago
    The drone operator probably would prefer not to get the authorities involved for a few reasons: 1. It is usually less hassle to attempt a mutual resolution without involving a third party. 2. The local authorities may restrict the use of the drones. 3. It is generally a good idea to be on good terms with your neighbours.

hga 11y ago

Indeed, very much a Rule 4 violation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper#Firearms_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper#Firearms_safety). The 2nd one of bird shot landing in his back yard isn't such a big deal, it wouldn't be at a high velocity by that time, but there's absolutely no excuse for it, skeet shooting is not an impromptu activity vs. a foolish opportunist shot at a drone. And the first incident, which sounds a lot more serious, ought to have resulted in a discussion, if not further action.

gknoy 11y ago
Is it? If the drone's flying over my property, over the tree line, and my neighbor shoots it, it'd have to be at an angle where there's nothing directly behind it.
- hga 11y ago
  "4. Identify your target, and what is behind it." is short for wherever the bullet or shot will end up, be it deflected if you're shooting at a surface at a low angle, or in an arc coming down. For shotguns, it's fundamental to be aware of where the shot comes down.