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Drinking beer should not be the glue to any team. It is not about drinking alcohol either. It's about smoking out unfit candidates when it is inexpensive to do

by notNow 11y ago

Drinking beer should not be the glue to any team. It is not about drinking alcohol either. It's about smoking out unfit candidates when it is inexpensive to do so and religious fanatics/fundies come at the very top of the list. The skills and expertise of a candidate have to be pretty convincing for me to overlook the fundamentalism part and the troubles that they might bring onboard.

throwaway118376 11y ago
> it's about smoking out unfit candidates [ ... ] > The skills and expertise of a candidate have to be pretty convincing for me to overlook the fundamentalism part and the troubles that they might bring onboard. You're aware that discriminating based on religion is illegal, right? Not just "oh, that's not very nice, let's not do that" or "hey, it would be cool to build a world with more tolerance for X", but literally, "the law of the United States prohibits us from discriminating against a person due to this". (And if you're in another country, substitute your country, and the law is likely similar.) For the record, I'm not religious at all. I'm a pretty reasonable guy in general and I subscribe to rational thought and give folks the benefit of the doubt where I can. But I'm going to take a hard line here. You're doing something that's really fucked up, and you show a basic lack of respect for other human beings by insisting they fall in line with your way of thought (alcohol and religion both, in this case, but your comment history makes me even sadder), and you show a basic lack of respect for the way we have set up society to let people live their lives the way they want. If you're ever involved in a hiring decision, please go kindly fuck yourself.
johngalt 11y ago
Do you realize it is you being the bigot here?
- notNow 11y ago
  Because I don't want to hire religious fanatics in where I work or bigot means that I don't share the same opinion as yours?
  - johngalt 11y ago
    You define someone who doesn't drink beer as a religious fanatic? How about someone who doesn't eat pork? How do you not see this as wrong? It is the attitude you claim to despise, that you are currently exhibiting.
    - notNow 11y ago
      Again I have no prob with teetotalers whether for medical, social or religious reasons. The only prob I have is how to screen candidates to root out the fanatics and fundamentals from the moderate and regular conservative folks. Unfortunately, these two subgroups share common traits or values and abstaining from drinking is one of them. What I said was simply that I'd need to extract more info from the candidate to make sure I'm making the right decision. It is not about anti-religion or religious folks but a policy not to hire crazy and unstable people. I don't want female employees to feel uncomfortable at the company because of a new hire because he might have some objections to how women should dress or debating whether people should eat or have a cup of coffee during Ramadan. This sort of stuff is unacceptable and I might say that it is not a controversial point for many people. I experienced first hand how some fanatics could drive people out of an org because of their conduct and social antics & crusades. The org lost very competent people to the competition because a fanatic thought he was on some holy mission to transform the workplace into a utopia just to feel good about himself. Needless to say, the place turned into a living hell and he also was in a position of authority to do that and we couldn't do anything about it before it was too late. So sorry if my opinion shattered your idealistic view of the world around us but it's way way better for me not to hire a "rockstar" fanatic and see people leave in drove because of his social toxicity and to stick to normal and skilled people who would fit and blend well with the group without friction and uneasiness.
      - clebio 11y ago
        I almost think you're trolling. But just in case you're not.... I wouldn't even worry about "fundamentailists" or "fanatics" in interviews because they _would not be there_. They'd be on some private commune that generates its own power from a water wheel and everyone where's linen, and no bare legs or arms. Honestly. Religious or ethical people that show up to a company office, on-schedule, and can answer interview questions are, basically by-definition, not fundamentalists or fanatics.
mc32 11y ago
Smoking out, isn't that the vernacular used when trying to get vermin to come out of their hiding places? I'd say that's an interesting choice of words to use in this context, where we're talking about making hiring decisions.
- notNow 11y ago
  Have you heard of the term "figure of speech" or the phrase "figuratively speaking"?

by notNow 11y ago

throwaway118376 11y ago

> it's about smoking out unfit candidates [ ... ] > The skills and expertise of a candidate have to be pretty convincing for me to overlook the fundamentalism part and the troubles that they might bring onboard. You're aware that discriminating based on religion is illegal, right? Not just "oh, that's not very nice, let's not do that" or "hey, it would be cool to build a world with more tolerance for X", but literally, "the law of the United States prohibits us from discriminating against a person due to this". (And if you're in another country, substitute your country, and the law is likely similar.) For the record, I'm not religious at all. I'm a pretty reasonable guy in general and I subscribe to rational thought and give folks the benefit of the doubt where I can. But I'm going to take a hard line here. You're doing something that's really fucked up, and you show a basic lack of respect for other human beings by insisting they fall in line with your way of thought (alcohol and religion both, in this case, but your comment history makes me even sadder), and you show a basic lack of respect for the way we have set up society to let people live their lives the way they want. If you're ever involved in a hiring decision, please go kindly fuck yourself.

johngalt 11y ago

Do you realize it is you being the bigot here?

notNow 11y ago
Because I don't want to hire religious fanatics in where I work or bigot means that I don't share the same opinion as yours?
- johngalt 11y ago
  You define someone who doesn't drink beer as a religious fanatic? How about someone who doesn't eat pork? How do you not see this as wrong? It is the attitude you claim to despise, that you are currently exhibiting.
  - notNow 11y ago
    Again I have no prob with teetotalers whether for medical, social or religious reasons. The only prob I have is how to screen candidates to root out the fanatics and fundamentals from the moderate and regular conservative folks. Unfortunately, these two subgroups share common traits or values and abstaining from drinking is one of them. What I said was simply that I'd need to extract more info from the candidate to make sure I'm making the right decision. It is not about anti-religion or religious folks but a policy not to hire crazy and unstable people. I don't want female employees to feel uncomfortable at the company because of a new hire because he might have some objections to how women should dress or debating whether people should eat or have a cup of coffee during Ramadan. This sort of stuff is unacceptable and I might say that it is not a controversial point for many people. I experienced first hand how some fanatics could drive people out of an org because of their conduct and social antics & crusades. The org lost very competent people to the competition because a fanatic thought he was on some holy mission to transform the workplace into a utopia just to feel good about himself. Needless to say, the place turned into a living hell and he also was in a position of authority to do that and we couldn't do anything about it before it was too late. So sorry if my opinion shattered your idealistic view of the world around us but it's way way better for me not to hire a "rockstar" fanatic and see people leave in drove because of his social toxicity and to stick to normal and skilled people who would fit and blend well with the group without friction and uneasiness.
    - clebio 11y ago
      I almost think you're trolling. But just in case you're not.... I wouldn't even worry about "fundamentailists" or "fanatics" in interviews because they _would not be there_. They'd be on some private commune that generates its own power from a water wheel and everyone where's linen, and no bare legs or arms. Honestly. Religious or ethical people that show up to a company office, on-schedule, and can answer interview questions are, basically by-definition, not fundamentalists or fanatics.

mc32 11y ago

Smoking out, isn't that the vernacular used when trying to get vermin to come out of their hiding places? I'd say that's an interesting choice of words to use in this context, where we're talking about making hiring decisions.

notNow 11y ago
Have you heard of the term "figure of speech" or the phrase "figuratively speaking"?