5 ms·

Just a clarification for people reading this who might be unfamiliar with legal details. What you meant was probably AR15 lowers, not M16. I doubt you could buy

by apr 11y ago

Just a clarification for people reading this who might be unfamiliar with legal details. What you meant was probably AR15 lowers, not M16. I doubt you could buy M16 anywhere in the US sans the black market. You could make one out of an AR15 lower but that would be illegal.

JupiterMoon 11y ago
Pardon my ignorance. When it comes to wanting to kill/scare people as the cartels do what is the difference between an AR15 vs. an M16? Either way you point it at me I'm going to shit myself and do what you say.
- chokolad 11y ago
  M16 can shoot full auto, AR-15 can not.
hga 11y ago
There are a fair number of legal M16 and full auto AR-15s in civilian hands, it wasn't until 1986 that civilian sales of newly manufactured full auto firearms was banned, resulting in an inventory estimated at 200,000. Here are 18 for sale: http://www.gunbroker.com/Machine-Guns/BI.aspx?Sort=5 http://www.gunbroker.com/Machine-Guns/BI.aspx?Sort=5 (on the first page), ranging in price from $10K to $35K for an unfired Colt AR-15. Plus of course the $200 Federal transfer "tax". Scare quotes because when it was established in 1934, per the BLS it was a prohibitive $3.7K, or if you don't trust the government's inflation statistics (I don't) 6 oz of gold, which is currently $7.5K. BTW, if you think government-citizen relations are bad today, well, 15 months before the National Firearms Act was passed, FDR signed an executive order confiscating the gold held by us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 And it was bought at $20.67/oz, and quickly repriced at $35/oz.
- slr555 11y ago
  While it is true that there are legal M16 series rifles out there, I would be stunned if you could find an unfired full auto M16 variant for 10K. Full auto M16's in decent shape will fetch 20K plus. Additionally, I think it was only in the last few years that a legally owned NFA full auto was used in a crime. For decades there was not a single crime committed with a legally owned full auto post NFA.
  - hga 11y ago
    Ooops, I wasn't clear, the lower prices were for guns that I'm sure have been fired, the $35K was for an unfired Colt. As for crimes, only two, with one by a police officer.
Zancarius 11y ago
> I doubt you could buy M16 anywhere in the US sans the black market. You can, but they're NFA weapons, and require the tax stamp, extra background check, and all that. They're also rather expensive ($15,000ish or more depending on the vintage)--pocket change for cartels, of course, but when you're looking at the limited quantity/availability and high price, it's more cost-effective to make, buy, or steal something sourced cheaper. Plus, nearly all are presently owned by collectors who aren't as likely to let them go except to other collectors unless it goes to auction for whatever reason.
damoncali 11y ago
Neither term is terribly precise. I mean "AR15/M16 platform". They're all basically the same from the perspective of organized crime.
- hga 11y ago
  Well, full-auto, for which we generically say "M16", has a certain cachet....
- slr555 11y ago
  It is true that in the military, much shooting is done in semi-auto mode. That said there is a huge difference in the volume of fire that can be generated in full auto vs. semi-auto. Companies like Surefire are now building 100 round magazines that are far more reliable than the Beta mags which weren't much more than a gimmick.

by apr 11y ago

JupiterMoon 11y ago

Pardon my ignorance. When it comes to wanting to kill/scare people as the cartels do what is the difference between an AR15 vs. an M16? Either way you point it at me I'm going to shit myself and do what you say.

chokolad 11y ago
M16 can shoot full auto, AR-15 can not.

hga 11y ago

There are a fair number of legal M16 and full auto AR-15s in civilian hands, it wasn't until 1986 that civilian sales of newly manufactured full auto firearms was banned, resulting in an inventory estimated at 200,000. Here are 18 for sale: http://www.gunbroker.com/Machine-Guns/BI.aspx?Sort=5 http://www.gunbroker.com/Machine-Guns/BI.aspx?Sort=5 (on the first page), ranging in price from $10K to $35K for an unfired Colt AR-15. Plus of course the $200 Federal transfer "tax". Scare quotes because when it was established in 1934, per the BLS it was a prohibitive $3.7K, or if you don't trust the government's inflation statistics (I don't) 6 oz of gold, which is currently $7.5K. BTW, if you think government-citizen relations are bad today, well, 15 months before the National Firearms Act was passed, FDR signed an executive order confiscating the gold held by us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 And it was bought at $20.67/oz, and quickly repriced at $35/oz.

slr555 11y ago
While it is true that there are legal M16 series rifles out there, I would be stunned if you could find an unfired full auto M16 variant for 10K. Full auto M16's in decent shape will fetch 20K plus. Additionally, I think it was only in the last few years that a legally owned NFA full auto was used in a crime. For decades there was not a single crime committed with a legally owned full auto post NFA.
- hga 11y ago
  Ooops, I wasn't clear, the lower prices were for guns that I'm sure have been fired, the $35K was for an unfired Colt. As for crimes, only two, with one by a police officer.

Zancarius 11y ago

> I doubt you could buy M16 anywhere in the US sans the black market. You can, but they're NFA weapons, and require the tax stamp, extra background check, and all that. They're also rather expensive ($15,000ish or more depending on the vintage)--pocket change for cartels, of course, but when you're looking at the limited quantity/availability and high price, it's more cost-effective to make, buy, or steal something sourced cheaper. Plus, nearly all are presently owned by collectors who aren't as likely to let them go except to other collectors unless it goes to auction for whatever reason.

damoncali 11y ago

Neither term is terribly precise. I mean "AR15/M16 platform". They're all basically the same from the perspective of organized crime.

hga 11y ago
Well, full-auto, for which we generically say "M16", has a certain cachet....
slr555 11y ago
It is true that in the military, much shooting is done in semi-auto mode. That said there is a huge difference in the volume of fire that can be generated in full auto vs. semi-auto. Companies like Surefire are now building 100 round magazines that are far more reliable than the Beta mags which weren't much more than a gimmick.