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Still, for people or organizations who have no measurable ability to affect infrastructure, but have the ability to make protective or high-visibility gear, doe

by baddox 11y ago

Still, for people or organizations who have no measurable ability to affect infrastructure, but have the ability to make protective or high-visibility gear, doesn't it make sense to do so?

SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago
How well does that high-vis gear sell in Copenhagen? Even if it does make financial sense for these organizations to sell their glow-sticks in London, it doesn't mean that it is in the interests of the rest of us to agree with the idea that it's the answer? It isn't the answer.
- baddox 11y ago
  > How well does that high-vis gear sell in Copenhagen? I don't know, but it's not relevant. > it doesn't mean that it is in the interests of the rest of us to agree with the idea that it's the answer. Of course not. Like any product, each of us can decide whether it is worth more to us than the money required to acquire it.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago
    > but it's not relevant. The point is, if a city does cycling well, extremes of hi-vis gear become irrelevant. The endless focus on hi-vis gear is a distraction from getting to that state. The good examples of Copenhagen and Amsterdam are relevant to that. When the mayor or some other official suggest that cyclist need "more shiney" and to "keep your wits about you" (1) it is a way of fobbing off with cheap placebos. I don't entirely blame a company for promoting their product, but calling it a "solution" is wrong, and seeing this "solution" roundly rejected here is encouraging. 1) http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/boriss-comments-on-hasty-rash-precipitous-cyclists-is-classic-government-victimblaming-8940052.html http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/boriss-comments-...
- usrusr 11y ago
  They even have a hard time selling reasonable bike lights, because people feel safe enough with tiny little occasionally blinking magnet/coil contraptions that are giving the absolute creeps to any cyclist that has grown up breaking German StVZO all the time. (StVZO: technical regulations for anything on the road, the bicycle part is like JavaScript: lots of cruft, but a few really good parts)

by baddox 11y ago

Still, for people or organizations who have no measurable ability to affect infrastructure, but have the ability to make protective or high-visibility gear, doesn't it make sense to do so?

SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago

How well does that high-vis gear sell in Copenhagen? Even if it does make financial sense for these organizations to sell their glow-sticks in London, it doesn't mean that it is in the interests of the rest of us to agree with the idea that it's the answer? It isn't the answer.

baddox 11y ago
> How well does that high-vis gear sell in Copenhagen? I don't know, but it's not relevant. > it doesn't mean that it is in the interests of the rest of us to agree with the idea that it's the answer. Of course not. Like any product, each of us can decide whether it is worth more to us than the money required to acquire it.
- SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago
  > but it's not relevant. The point is, if a city does cycling well, extremes of hi-vis gear become irrelevant. The endless focus on hi-vis gear is a distraction from getting to that state. The good examples of Copenhagen and Amsterdam are relevant to that. When the mayor or some other official suggest that cyclist need "more shiney" and to "keep your wits about you" (1) it is a way of fobbing off with cheap placebos. I don't entirely blame a company for promoting their product, but calling it a "solution" is wrong, and seeing this "solution" roundly rejected here is encouraging. 1) http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/boriss-comments-on-hasty-rash-precipitous-cyclists-is-classic-government-victimblaming-8940052.html http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/boriss-comments-...
usrusr 11y ago
They even have a hard time selling reasonable bike lights, because people feel safe enough with tiny little occasionally blinking magnet/coil contraptions that are giving the absolute creeps to any cyclist that has grown up breaking German StVZO all the time. (StVZO: technical regulations for anything on the road, the bicycle part is like JavaScript: lots of cruft, but a few really good parts)