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I mean, even if you personally feel that "guys" is totally fine for mixed gender groups, it clearly bothers some people. So why not say, "hey, everyone..." inst

I mean, even if you personally feel that "guys" is totally fine for mixed gender groups, it clearly bothers some people. So why not say, "hey, everyone..." instead of "hey, guys..."?

Conlectus 11y ago
I think it's just the fact that it takes three times as long.
- sp332 11y ago
  Your respect for other people is worth less than 300 milliseconds?
- grayclhn 11y ago
  "Hey y'all..." :)
  - bgilroy26 11y ago
    "Hey all" works too! I probably use "you all"/y'all/guys about evenly Once you mix something else in and stop saying 'guys' practically every time, it's hard to go back.
  - kyllo 11y ago
    Being from Seattle, I don't have the habit of saying "y'all" but I recognize its utility. I like it much more than "you guys." I guess the Northeast equivalent would be "you's." The worst thing ever is the second-person plural possessive that you hear on the West Coast: "you guys's." The correct word is just your but in the process of searching in vain for an unambiguous plural version we've created a monstrosity.
    - grayclhn 11y ago
      I'm from Pennsylvania; the alternatives there are "youse" and "yinz" which are two of the most awful words in english. (Both mean "y'all.")
      - NoGravitas 11y ago
        "Yinz" is the north Appalachian version of "you'uns" or "youns" in central/south Appalachian. So not totally awful in context. [0]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you-uns https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you-uns
- rfrey 11y ago
  Hi, folks. Hi, everyone. Hi, friends. Hi, y'all. There's something for everyone.
baddox 11y ago
There are probably very few things you can say which do not bother some people.
- grayclhn 11y ago
  Yes, but there are many things I can say that I'm not knowingly bothering people.
- sp332 11y ago
  You could at least call people the right name, after they've told you the right name to call them over and over again.
  - LanceH 11y ago
    And here you are calling them people when they may identify otherwise.
    - Nadya 11y ago
      When people begin to argue over PC speech they fail to realize that nearly everything they do, everything they do, will offend someone or something. Trying to please everyone is the suremost way to fail.
      - baddox 11y ago
        That was precisely my point. Many people fail to realize that you can deliberately choose what to be offended by. It's a choice. I could, if I wanted to, choose to be offended by being referred to as a "person" or part of a group of "people."
        Nadya 11y ago
        I know. I was agreeing and elaborating a bit more on it. "Offence is rarely given - only taken." sums it up nicely.
    - 11y ago
tomsun 11y ago
I don't think a lot of people will get offended if you address a group as guys. But if you address a group of girls as "girls", or even "gals", you are walking a fine line.
arca_vorago 11y ago
"So why not" Why not? Because I'm growing increasingly tired of having to keep up with all the various people who are offended by trivial bullshit so that I can adjust my own language to fit them. There is no right to not be offended, and I think that fact is a core part of freedom of speech, both Constitutionally and socially. Edit (the following line is out of place and unwarranted in this discussion but I will keep it in for the sake of posterity.): We live in a harsh world, and there is some nasty shit out there. I think people need to learn to grow a thick skin already. Don't misunderstand me, I fully embrace peoples right to request people to change some of the common word usage, but I also support the right of people that don't want to do so. “I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.” - Voltaire http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/349 http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/349
- grayclhn 11y ago
  I mean... this reads like, "I don't care about offending those people."
  - candu 11y ago
    Which is exactly what it says, along with an argument that the rest of us shouldn't care either.
- sp332 11y ago
  I also support the right of people that don't to do so. But you seem to be against those people accepting consequences of that action. What if I'm offended and decide to stop hanging out with those people, or decide to remind them each time that they are offending me? They should accept my decision and not tell me to "grow a thick skin" and pretend that their offensiveness is my fault.
  - arca_vorago 11y ago
    "What if I'm offended and decide to stop hanging out with those people, or decide to remind them each time that they are offending me?" Let me clarify a bit please, I fully support people trying to educate people on potentially sensitive verbiage, and their ability to remove themselves from a situation where they aren't comfortable. I think you are right and my "grow a thick skin" comment was unwarranted so I have put an edit in saying so. My primary issue is this: Censorship, full stop. Don't like something? Ok, tell the world your reasons, and try to convince it to follow your lead. Don't, however, use "offensiveness" as a tool of censorship of things you don't like. That's my main point, so sorry if I muddled it a bit. Censorship from either point of view is my issue. Of course, you also have to take into consideration that I am saying this from a decidedly American perspective, where freedom of speech is respected to a higher degree than almost anywhere else. I think Christopher Hitchens put it well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIU96N7ciXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIU96N7ciXM
dtf 11y ago
Maybe we should all do that presidential thing and switch to "Folks..."

I mean, even if you personally feel that "guys" is totally fine for mixed gender groups, it clearly bothers some people. So why not say, "hey, everyone..." instead of "hey, guys..."?

Conlectus 11y ago

I think it's just the fact that it takes three times as long.

sp332 11y ago
Your respect for other people is worth less than 300 milliseconds?
grayclhn 11y ago
"Hey y'all..." :)
- bgilroy26 11y ago
  "Hey all" works too! I probably use "you all"/y'all/guys about evenly Once you mix something else in and stop saying 'guys' practically every time, it's hard to go back.
- kyllo 11y ago
  Being from Seattle, I don't have the habit of saying "y'all" but I recognize its utility. I like it much more than "you guys." I guess the Northeast equivalent would be "you's." The worst thing ever is the second-person plural possessive that you hear on the West Coast: "you guys's." The correct word is just your but in the process of searching in vain for an unambiguous plural version we've created a monstrosity.
  - grayclhn 11y ago
    I'm from Pennsylvania; the alternatives there are "youse" and "yinz" which are two of the most awful words in english. (Both mean "y'all.")
    - NoGravitas 11y ago
      "Yinz" is the north Appalachian version of "you'uns" or "youns" in central/south Appalachian. So not totally awful in context. [0]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you-uns https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you-uns
rfrey 11y ago
Hi, folks. Hi, everyone. Hi, friends. Hi, y'all. There's something for everyone.

baddox 11y ago

There are probably very few things you can say which do not bother some people.

grayclhn 11y ago
Yes, but there are many things I can say that I'm not knowingly bothering people.
sp332 11y ago
You could at least call people the right name, after they've told you the right name to call them over and over again.
- LanceH 11y ago
  And here you are calling them people when they may identify otherwise.
  - Nadya 11y ago
    When people begin to argue over PC speech they fail to realize that nearly everything they do, everything they do, will offend someone or something. Trying to please everyone is the suremost way to fail.
    - baddox 11y ago
      That was precisely my point. Many people fail to realize that you can deliberately choose what to be offended by. It's a choice. I could, if I wanted to, choose to be offended by being referred to as a "person" or part of a group of "people."
      - Nadya 11y ago
        I know. I was agreeing and elaborating a bit more on it. "Offence is rarely given - only taken." sums it up nicely.
  - 11y ago

tomsun 11y ago

I don't think a lot of people will get offended if you address a group as guys. But if you address a group of girls as "girls", or even "gals", you are walking a fine line.

arca_vorago 11y ago

"So why not" Why not? Because I'm growing increasingly tired of having to keep up with all the various people who are offended by trivial bullshit so that I can adjust my own language to fit them. There is no right to not be offended, and I think that fact is a core part of freedom of speech, both Constitutionally and socially. Edit (the following line is out of place and unwarranted in this discussion but I will keep it in for the sake of posterity.): We live in a harsh world, and there is some nasty shit out there. I think people need to learn to grow a thick skin already. Don't misunderstand me, I fully embrace peoples right to request people to change some of the common word usage, but I also support the right of people that don't want to do so. “I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.” - Voltaire http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/349 http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/349

grayclhn 11y ago
I mean... this reads like, "I don't care about offending those people."
- candu 11y ago
  Which is exactly what it says, along with an argument that the rest of us shouldn't care either.
sp332 11y ago
I also support the right of people that don't to do so. But you seem to be against those people accepting consequences of that action. What if I'm offended and decide to stop hanging out with those people, or decide to remind them each time that they are offending me? They should accept my decision and not tell me to "grow a thick skin" and pretend that their offensiveness is my fault.
- arca_vorago 11y ago
  "What if I'm offended and decide to stop hanging out with those people, or decide to remind them each time that they are offending me?" Let me clarify a bit please, I fully support people trying to educate people on potentially sensitive verbiage, and their ability to remove themselves from a situation where they aren't comfortable. I think you are right and my "grow a thick skin" comment was unwarranted so I have put an edit in saying so. My primary issue is this: Censorship, full stop. Don't like something? Ok, tell the world your reasons, and try to convince it to follow your lead. Don't, however, use "offensiveness" as a tool of censorship of things you don't like. That's my main point, so sorry if I muddled it a bit. Censorship from either point of view is my issue. Of course, you also have to take into consideration that I am saying this from a decidedly American perspective, where freedom of speech is respected to a higher degree than almost anywhere else. I think Christopher Hitchens put it well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIU96N7ciXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIU96N7ciXM

dtf 11y ago

Maybe we should all do that presidential thing and switch to "Folks..."