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In my lifetime, I think this is the social issue that has seen the most positive change. As a kid, gay people were practically lepers. Eleven Years ago, Dave
by baakss 11y ago
In my lifetime, I think this is the social issue that has seen the most positive change.
As a kid, gay people were practically lepers.
Eleven Years ago, Dave Chappelle just outright said "gay sex is just gross, sorry it just is", and it was considered funny and acceptable. (Not harping on him specifically, just pointing out what it was like in 2004)
Seven years ago prop 8 passed, if barely with some caveats about lack of understanding.
And now? SCOTUS upholds gay marriage and it's socially reprehensible to mock homosexuality. It's a strange and very positive feeling watching a country's world view shift like this.
- mreiland 11y agoDADT was in 1994 IIRC? This idea that gay people were lepers 10 years ago is false, 21 years ago the military was already doing everything it could to put off the pressure of allowing gays in the military (and DADT was their compromise). This is a generational thing, this latest is but 1 victory in a long procession of victories. To pretend otherwise is balderdash.
- taytus 11y agoDave Chappelle is a comedian, they say stuff like that all the time, it's part of their job. If you are going to quote somebody (specially on these issues), I'd recommend not to quote a comedian.
- baakss 11y agoI did think about that a bit. That's part of why I added the disclaimer. I included it more because I was watching it this weekend, saw that bit, and thought, "That would be a really unacceptable thing to say today, but back then it was considered funny." Edit: And you're right, comedians are on a different standard. Sorry, forgot to include that.
- djb_hackernews 11y agoIf you think that would be an unacceptable joke for a comedian to say today, you should watch the comedian Daniel Tosh's show Tosh.0 on Comedy Central for essentially 30 minutes of unacceptable humor.
- ceejayoz 11y agoAnd, in fairness, sex - gay or straight - is fundamentally pretty gross. Fun, but gross.
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- aedocw 11y agoQuoting a comedian as a means of reflecting what's popular or at least socially acceptable is an appropriate and accurate way to say "at one point in recent history, it was socially acceptable to say demeaning things about gay people." Michael Richards is a comedian, and made anti-Semitic remarks that resulted in a significant backlash. Again, looking back this is a good indication of someone saying something that was NOT popularly acceptable.
- taytus 11y agoI think it all depends on the context. A comedy show is a comedy show. People are always looking for ways to feel offended.
- jsmthrowaway 11y agoIn this case, the quote omitted the context of archetypes and specific people, namely George W. Bush, that Chapelle was very obviously satirizing. I say very obviously, because it wasn't a nuanced depiction: the skit was literally described as him being black Bush, and he was in a suit behind the POTUS podium, addressing the media. Removing the context from that and hitting Chapelle for it is just a convenient target.
- balls187 11y agoOT: It wasn't anti Semitic remarks that got Michael Richards in trouble. Michael Richards went on a massive tirade saying the N-word repeatedly after he felt that a black patron was being disrespectful.
- caseysoftware 11y agoI think the difference is that many people laughed with and applauded Dave Chappelle at the time while few (if anyone?) applauded Michael Richards. Chappelle was commenting on a widely held belief. Richards, not so much.
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- a8da6b0c91d 11y ago> "gay sex is just gross, sorry it just is" Do you think we've totaled into the billions in costs related to diseases spread primarily by sodomy? Probably. It seems pretty natural and healthy to regard such a dangerous activity with some revulsion.
- jordanlev 11y agoUhh... straight people have anal sex too.
- a8da6b0c91d 11y agoThat used to be illegal, too.
- bduerst 11y agoSo you don't have a problem with gay marriage, you have a problem with unsafe anal sex.
- a8da6b0c91d 11y agoThe assertion under discussion is that sodomy is not "gross." Do keep up.
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- bduerst 11y agoYou asserted that unsafe anal sex is a problem. You're okay with safe anal sex then.
- baakss 11y agoIf we're basing revulsion based on cost of diseases spread, vaginal sex would also have to be considered disgusting. Actually, you'd have to view quite a lot of non-sexual activities with revulsion as well based on that premise. Sorry, but I don't believe it's any more gross or decent than any other consensual sex act.
- notNow 11y ago"gay sex is just gross, sorry it just is" It still is but whatever floats your boat buddy. Some people are into dog and cat meat and they find it tasty, good for them.
- tomp 11y agoI still think that gay (two men) sex us gross... or any sex with a man. Which is why I don't engage in it, but I'm pretty grateful that about 50% of the inhabitants of Earth enjoys it!
- arprocter 11y ago>Eleven Years ago, Dave Chappelle just outright said "gay sex is just gross, sorry it just is", and it was considered funny and acceptable. (Not harping on him specifically, just pointing out what it was like in 2004) iirc the bit you're referring to was how saying outrageous things is viewed as acceptable when a white woman does it. In the black Bush piece he said 'and no gays settling down!' to poke fun at the GOP.
- dntrkv 11y agoYou can't just pull a quote like that out of context. Chappelle said the "gay sex is gross" thing twice, once was in the black bush character (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoDpghAaXT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoDpghAaXT4) and the other was when he had a white girl sing his thoughts: "Gay sex is gross; sorry, I just think it is. (gets another card) Unless, of course, they're lesbians. (gets another card) I like lesbians. (gets another card) I like lesbians." Which is super tame compared to a lot of the other things Chappelle said back then, or even Louis CK says nowadays.
- ElComradio 11y agoAny straight guy will, if given the choice, avoid scenes of man on man sex as much as possible. They might say it's "just not my thing" out of politeness or tact but watch what they do. When Chapelle said it it was funny because everyone watching can relate and it's a tension reliever to hear what you've been bottling up is actually true. Much comedy works this way.
- asddubs 11y agoI dunno, I'm a straight guy and it doesn't bother me. It used to but one day I realized it was just socially instilled gay panic.
- ElComradio 11y agoInteresting concept, that sexual orientation is something we believe is ingrained, but things we find sexually repulsive are fluid and subject to change.
- asddubs 11y agoWell I don't think there is such a thing as sexual repulsion.
- Nadya 11y agoYour reasoning is yours alone and the anecdote can be easily hand-waved away: perhaps you're bisexual or lean more heavily towards homosexuality than most heterosexuals, thus find it less repulsive. As for not believing in sexual repulsion - is this in regards to gender or in general?
- asddubs 11y agoI don't think there's sexual repulsion. Either you are repulsed by something or you are not, whether it's sexual has nothing to do with it. And what we are repulsed by is often conditioned And no, I am not bisexual.