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It's not troubling at all, if you stop and look at it for a second - people aren't automatons. Fascism is horrible thing in all it's form and sizes. Even if St

by Ygg2 11y ago

It's not troubling at all, if you stop and look at it for a second - people aren't automatons. Fascism is horrible thing in all it's form and sizes. Even if Steve blurted out that he agrees that the only way to fight fascism is with force (which I haven't divulged from the context, twitter is horrible for conveying meaning), it makes sense once you stop and consider it an emotional response and not an ideology of person that said it.

kinghajj 11y ago
The troubling part is the equivalence between speech and violence. I fundamentally don't believe that information can be violent in any way. It can facilitate violence, surely (the plans to a nuclear bomb come to mind,) but it is never inherently violent because information in itself can do nothing.
- Ygg2 11y ago
  > I fundamentally don't believe that information can be violent in any way. Then congrats on never suffering verbal abuse. Words can hurt and information in itself can do a lot of things in a right(or wrong) context. For example. You arrive in a communist hating community (let's pretend it's during the Red scare). Someone accuses you of being a communist. Witch hunt ensues.
  - kinghajj 11y ago
    > Then congrats on never suffering verbal abuse. define: violence "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." It's clear that the meaning of "violence" is physical, not emotional. > Someone accuses you of being a communist. Witch hunt ensues. As I said: "It can facilitate violence, surely".
    - Ygg2 11y ago
      Listen, downvote all you like, but it seems you never were on the wrong end of verbal abuse. Trust me a well sharpened remark, can be waaaaay more painful than a gut punch. I never said witchhunt needed to end with violence. You can become black sheep, losing job, family, friends without a single follicles of your hair being torn. Your freedom could be taken, without you suffering any violence, e.g. house arrest.

by Ygg2 11y ago

kinghajj 11y ago

The troubling part is the equivalence between speech and violence. I fundamentally don't believe that information can be violent in any way. It can facilitate violence, surely (the plans to a nuclear bomb come to mind,) but it is never inherently violent because information in itself can do nothing.

Ygg2 11y ago
> I fundamentally don't believe that information can be violent in any way. Then congrats on never suffering verbal abuse. Words can hurt and information in itself can do a lot of things in a right(or wrong) context. For example. You arrive in a communist hating community (let's pretend it's during the Red scare). Someone accuses you of being a communist. Witch hunt ensues.
- kinghajj 11y ago
  > Then congrats on never suffering verbal abuse. define: violence "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." It's clear that the meaning of "violence" is physical, not emotional. > Someone accuses you of being a communist. Witch hunt ensues. As I said: "It can facilitate violence, surely".
  - Ygg2 11y ago
    Listen, downvote all you like, but it seems you never were on the wrong end of verbal abuse. Trust me a well sharpened remark, can be waaaaay more painful than a gut punch. I never said witchhunt needed to end with violence. You can become black sheep, losing job, family, friends without a single follicles of your hair being torn. Your freedom could be taken, without you suffering any violence, e.g. house arrest.