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You might not be familiar with the German videogame marketplace. http://www.destructoid.com/see-how-wolfenstein-the-new-order-is-censored-in-germany-275315.pht

You might not be familiar with the German videogame marketplace. http://www.destructoid.com/see-how-wolfenstein-the-new-order-is-censored-in-germany-275315.phtml http://www.destructoid.com/see-how-wolfenstein-the-new-order...

zxcvcxz 11y ago
Is there any evidence that censorship in Germany has really prevented racism?
- smacktoward 11y ago
  They don't have half their country driving around with swastikas painted on their pickup trucks, so they would certainly seem to be doing better than we are...
  - zxcvcxz 11y ago
    Your comment implies that half the people in the US fly that flag and that everyone who flies the flag is a racist and that the fact that so many people fly it hasn't made it lose much of its meaning. Your comment makes a lot of assumptions and appears to me to be painting half the country (probably the south) as racists. This is a bigoted narrow minded attitude. Even Kanye West has a line of clothing with the confederate flag, do you think he's part of the KKK?
  - screwedup 11y ago
    Neither does the US...
djcapelis 11y ago
That doesn't make it any less silly. I find the flying of the confederate flag in real life reprehensible, but censoring a civil war game using it as a symbol of the confederate armed forces? I'm not sure that makes sense.
Mithaldu 11y ago
That's all self-censoring. The law says use of such symbols is fine if it serves art², however the agency tasked with judging the youth impact of games does not think games are art. However, that's just their opinion and does not reflect actual legality, since this was never challenged in court. So, until they change their opinion, or a game company decides it's worth it and takes them to court, game companies just end up censoring themselves in advance so they don't have to deal with it in the first place. ² As mentioned here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9777854 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9777854 , it was for example fine in the movie Iron Sky.
foodstances 11y ago
Imagine if neo-nazis started adopting that made-up Wolfenstein logo as their own...

zxcvcxz 11y ago

Is there any evidence that censorship in Germany has really prevented racism?

smacktoward 11y ago
They don't have half their country driving around with swastikas painted on their pickup trucks, so they would certainly seem to be doing better than we are...
- zxcvcxz 11y ago
  Your comment implies that half the people in the US fly that flag and that everyone who flies the flag is a racist and that the fact that so many people fly it hasn't made it lose much of its meaning. Your comment makes a lot of assumptions and appears to me to be painting half the country (probably the south) as racists. This is a bigoted narrow minded attitude. Even Kanye West has a line of clothing with the confederate flag, do you think he's part of the KKK?
- screwedup 11y ago
  Neither does the US...

djcapelis 11y ago

That doesn't make it any less silly. I find the flying of the confederate flag in real life reprehensible, but censoring a civil war game using it as a symbol of the confederate armed forces? I'm not sure that makes sense.

Mithaldu 11y ago

That's all self-censoring. The law says use of such symbols is fine if it serves art², however the agency tasked with judging the youth impact of games does not think games are art. However, that's just their opinion and does not reflect actual legality, since this was never challenged in court. So, until they change their opinion, or a game company decides it's worth it and takes them to court, game companies just end up censoring themselves in advance so they don't have to deal with it in the first place. ² As mentioned here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9777854 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9777854 , it was for example fine in the movie Iron Sky.

foodstances 11y ago

Imagine if neo-nazis started adopting that made-up Wolfenstein logo as their own...