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There's a lot of talk about historical accuracy with regard to Apple's decision. Hence it's in context to post what exactly that flag represented to the people
by yequalsx 11y ago
There's a lot of talk about historical accuracy with regard to Apple's decision. Hence it's in context to post what exactly that flag represented to the people at the time of secession. When I lived in the South I never saw anyone other than white people flying that flag. It didn't represent pride to non-whites and the declarations of white people that it was part of their heritage went along with talk about 'those' people.
Here are some things I experienced while living in the South. My first promotion ever was when I worked as a bag boy in a grocery store. I was promoted because, "There's nothing but a bunch of sorry niggers working here so I'm giving it to you." I was told once by an evangelical, white Christian that black churches didn't really count as Christian because they don't truly believe. They don't have the commitment that we do. I was told by another person that slaves were treated well and that the war had nothing to do with slavery.
These are all anecdotes but the impression left was indelible. The people telling me these things were nice people. People I never suspected of harboring such feelings. Whenever the Confederate flag is flown or defended in anyway I think it is appropriate to remind people of just what secession meant to the people at the time. I typically encounter defensive reactions to such reminders and this means, at least to me, that more reminders are needed.
- moron4hire 11y agoAgain, you're like completely ignoring that nobody is disputing the fact that the flag represented a racist ideology. I grew up around people who flew the flag like that, and yeah, they're universally racist assholes. In the North! Apparently they're too ignorant to even know what the Mason Dixon Line means. But we're talking about depictions of the flag in dramatizations of the Civil War.
- DanBC 11y ago> nobody is disputing the fact that the flag represented a racist ideology. At least one person in this thread is doing exactly that.
- moron4hire 11y agoThat was long after this line of conversation started. Grandparent poster wanted to stand on a soap box.
- DanBC 11y agoPaulHaugis's post is earlier than your post I replied to.
- justizin 11y agoI agree with all of that. I think "heritage" and "history" are different things. As americans, slavery is part of our history, and the civil war happened. I don't think we should remove the confederate flag from history books, because that is how we know how offensive it is. So if this game's purpose is to let you imagine commanding the Union army and defeat the Confederate army, with historically accurate battlefields, and this is a teaching tool to help people understand how fundamentally fucked up that war was, I think that's very different from someone who says, "You can't take my confederate flag because free speech!", though as an individual they are correct that they have the right to loudly and proudly declare to everyone who will listen that they are a racist, and I think that's a beautiful thing about free speech. This is different from free speech IMO, this at least borders on the academic.