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So what about all WWII games that have a swastika, or any number of historical flags that are simply referencing history rather than supporting an ideal? This

by JohnGB 11y ago

So what about all WWII games that have a swastika, or any number of historical flags that are simply referencing history rather than supporting an ideal? This is plain ridiculous.

nsxwolf 11y ago
First thing I checked was Wolfenstein 3D - and it's still there. The messaging on this is really bad. You can't feign outrage at symbols of slavery without doing the same for symbols of genocide.
- smanuel 11y ago
  Well, I guess that's a very delicate subject to talk about. In Wolfenstein 3D you can't play a nazzi shooting Americans (for example). You play the good guy shooting the bad guys. I also don't think the problem is the flag. IMO the real problem is that in most of the games you can play on both sides. Kids can easily start identifying themselves as the side on which they play and forget the important details. Like... history.
  - sologoub 11y ago
    As a kid growing up in USSR, we often played various WWII themed games and someone had to be the nazi. We usually did a coin toss and as far as I know, none of the kids turned into the actual nazis or far right extremists. Sometimes kids play is just that - kids play...
    - justizin 11y ago
      That's fine. I don't think Apple is saying, "We believe this game is morally wrong", I think Apple is saying, "We don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole."
mc32 11y ago
They might as well ban the Turkish flag too as that is a symbol of the genocide against Armenians --or the Soviet flag as it symbolizes the oppression of many nations and peoples by the soviet regime. And apple would cede, if the people affected made enough of a fuss, so this whole thing is more about perception and PR more than actual beliefs in justice, etc.
- merpnderp 11y ago
  Doesn't the Soviet flag represent engineered famines that killed tens of millions? Certainly on par with the South's flag.
  - norea-armozel 11y ago
    I guess no one heard about holodomor famines.
- MichaelGG 11y ago
  The US had slavery too, so why not ban the US flag?
  - mc32 11y ago
    Well just about every country in the western hemisphere (n and s America) had slavery, so we should ban all the rest too.

by JohnGB 11y ago

So what about all WWII games that have a swastika, or any number of historical flags that are simply referencing history rather than supporting an ideal? This is plain ridiculous.

nsxwolf 11y ago

First thing I checked was Wolfenstein 3D - and it's still there. The messaging on this is really bad. You can't feign outrage at symbols of slavery without doing the same for symbols of genocide.

smanuel 11y ago
Well, I guess that's a very delicate subject to talk about. In Wolfenstein 3D you can't play a nazzi shooting Americans (for example). You play the good guy shooting the bad guys. I also don't think the problem is the flag. IMO the real problem is that in most of the games you can play on both sides. Kids can easily start identifying themselves as the side on which they play and forget the important details. Like... history.
- sologoub 11y ago
  As a kid growing up in USSR, we often played various WWII themed games and someone had to be the nazi. We usually did a coin toss and as far as I know, none of the kids turned into the actual nazis or far right extremists. Sometimes kids play is just that - kids play...
  - justizin 11y ago
    That's fine. I don't think Apple is saying, "We believe this game is morally wrong", I think Apple is saying, "We don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole."

mc32 11y ago

They might as well ban the Turkish flag too as that is a symbol of the genocide against Armenians --or the Soviet flag as it symbolizes the oppression of many nations and peoples by the soviet regime. And apple would cede, if the people affected made enough of a fuss, so this whole thing is more about perception and PR more than actual beliefs in justice, etc.

merpnderp 11y ago
Doesn't the Soviet flag represent engineered famines that killed tens of millions? Certainly on par with the South's flag.
- norea-armozel 11y ago
  I guess no one heard about holodomor famines.
MichaelGG 11y ago
The US had slavery too, so why not ban the US flag?
- mc32 11y ago
  Well just about every country in the western hemisphere (n and s America) had slavery, so we should ban all the rest too.