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No censorship as in no moderation? No thanks. No censorship as in no punishing the stalking and threatening of others? Also no thanks. I want free speech wh

by koko775 11y ago

No censorship as in no moderation? No thanks. No censorship as in no punishing the stalking and threatening of others? Also no thanks. I want free speech where people are free with their speech, not unrestrained speech (specifically) where people feel free to hurt others.

frizbee 11y ago
Hi, Just to clarify, the owners of particular playlist servers can moderate them as they choose. The difference is that because of the decentralization aspect, it is not chosen by a central entity.
- x0 11y ago
  If this website is another reaction to reddit, you're only going to attract the absolute dregs of that site — /r/fatpeoplehate, the pedophiles, the gamergaters, etc. If someone creates a Frizbee server full of child abuse material, and it becomes popular, and is always on the front page, what would you do? Also, I made a comment on Frizbee that consisted of `[wow](file:///etc/passwd)`, and it let me post it. You probably want to whitelist a few schemes.
  - tomjen3 11y ago
    Did you just put gamer gaters in the same group as pedophiles?
    - x0 11y ago
      You're right, gamergaters aren't as bad as pedophiles, my post implies that they are and I apologise.
      - ossreality 11y ago
        It's okay, I'm hellbanned and I can say it, yes, they're basically just as bad. Proof: go to KiA, etc. Are they talking about ethics in journalism or are they bitching about something some female did online. I'll let you guess.
  - bhouston 11y ago
    Child abuse and pedophilia is straight-out illegal and can not be hosted on voat.co.
    - teraflop 11y ago
      I wonder why this thread on /r/legaladvice exists, then: http://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3avuxs/really_worried_went_on_to_voatco_to_investigate/ http://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3avuxs/really_w...
  - __z 11y ago
    what does [wow](file:///etc/passwd) do?
    - pfranz 11y ago
      "wow" will appear as a link with a URL pointing to the file on your local disk /etc/passwd. In UNIX/Linux /etc/passwd is a plaintext file used to list users accounts. In the old days it would store their password, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passwd#Password_file https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passwd#Password_file
      - __z 11y ago
        ah... I didn't recognize it as markdown.
- empressplay 11y ago
  I'm still not following how that's any different than just owning a subreddit. If I own a subreddit I can moderate the posts in it. Under your model, you're suggesting that I can "moderate" posts that initiate from my server, but not others, and once again I'm still not sure what advantage that has over owning a subreddit?
  - frizbee 11y ago
    Frizbee itself is not going to censor their content.
    - empressplay 11y ago
      So if I want to host content that other people would generally find objectionable I can set up a node and use you essentially as a wider distribution platform? And if I didn't want objectionable content on my node I would have to monitor it 24/7 to catch incoming posts? Unless I'm able to ban 'playlists' from my node. Am I able to ban entire "playlists" from my node?
    - koko775 11y ago
      Except where legally necessary, or when someone is in imminent danger. What happens if someone posts the details of someone's address and asks people to go to their house and heckle them / hurt them / kill them? Do you leave that up? If that information is deleted, the difference between frizbee and reddit becomes so extremely marginal that one really wonders whether this really is a rationalization for allowing people to organize around threatening and stalking people online. If that information is not removed, does such a site deserve to exist? It may pass some legal standard, but is that a site that differentiates itself in any way except in its support of systematic and continued online stalking??
milkworsethan 11y ago
Translation: I want free speech except I want people I don't like to not have it.
- ossreality 11y ago
  Not really. koko775 spelled it out and you decided to just put words in their mouth.
- eevee 11y ago
  In what language does "stalking and threatening and hurting others" translate into "people I don't like"?
  - Karunamon 11y ago
    The language where "stalking and threatening and hurting" equates to "saying mean things on the internet", or at times "disagreeing with". I'm getting rather tired of seeing words like "harassment" being bandied about as shorthand for incivility.
    - koko775 11y ago
      But that doesn't hold up under scrutiny: reddit explicitly defined their language around harassment to mean: > Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them. http://www.redditblog.com/2015/05/promote-ideas-protect-people.html http://www.redditblog.com/2015/05/promote-ideas-protect-peop... Key words to pay attention to here are: systematic, continued, fear. This isn't about being a jerk, or even being a jerk randomly. It's about being a jerk in a targeted way, a lot and over time, in a very intentional way to the degree that it causes fear to speak up or fear for one's self. Look at the extent to which reddit admins allow hateful speech so long as they don't step outside their boundaries, and you'll understand that they're actually sticking to that definition.

by koko775 11y ago

frizbee 11y ago

Hi, Just to clarify, the owners of particular playlist servers can moderate them as they choose. The difference is that because of the decentralization aspect, it is not chosen by a central entity.

x0 11y ago
If this website is another reaction to reddit, you're only going to attract the absolute dregs of that site — /r/fatpeoplehate, the pedophiles, the gamergaters, etc. If someone creates a Frizbee server full of child abuse material, and it becomes popular, and is always on the front page, what would you do? Also, I made a comment on Frizbee that consisted of `[wow](file:///etc/passwd)`, and it let me post it. You probably want to whitelist a few schemes.
- tomjen3 11y ago
  Did you just put gamer gaters in the same group as pedophiles?
  - x0 11y ago
    You're right, gamergaters aren't as bad as pedophiles, my post implies that they are and I apologise.
    - ossreality 11y ago
      It's okay, I'm hellbanned and I can say it, yes, they're basically just as bad. Proof: go to KiA, etc. Are they talking about ethics in journalism or are they bitching about something some female did online. I'll let you guess.
- bhouston 11y ago
  Child abuse and pedophilia is straight-out illegal and can not be hosted on voat.co.
  - teraflop 11y ago
    I wonder why this thread on /r/legaladvice exists, then: http://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3avuxs/really_worried_went_on_to_voatco_to_investigate/ http://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3avuxs/really_w...
- __z 11y ago
  what does [wow](file:///etc/passwd) do?
  - pfranz 11y ago
    "wow" will appear as a link with a URL pointing to the file on your local disk /etc/passwd. In UNIX/Linux /etc/passwd is a plaintext file used to list users accounts. In the old days it would store their password, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passwd#Password_file https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passwd#Password_file
    - __z 11y ago
      ah... I didn't recognize it as markdown.
empressplay 11y ago
I'm still not following how that's any different than just owning a subreddit. If I own a subreddit I can moderate the posts in it. Under your model, you're suggesting that I can "moderate" posts that initiate from my server, but not others, and once again I'm still not sure what advantage that has over owning a subreddit?
- frizbee 11y ago
  Frizbee itself is not going to censor their content.
  - empressplay 11y ago
    So if I want to host content that other people would generally find objectionable I can set up a node and use you essentially as a wider distribution platform? And if I didn't want objectionable content on my node I would have to monitor it 24/7 to catch incoming posts? Unless I'm able to ban 'playlists' from my node. Am I able to ban entire "playlists" from my node?
  - koko775 11y ago
    Except where legally necessary, or when someone is in imminent danger. What happens if someone posts the details of someone's address and asks people to go to their house and heckle them / hurt them / kill them? Do you leave that up? If that information is deleted, the difference between frizbee and reddit becomes so extremely marginal that one really wonders whether this really is a rationalization for allowing people to organize around threatening and stalking people online. If that information is not removed, does such a site deserve to exist? It may pass some legal standard, but is that a site that differentiates itself in any way except in its support of systematic and continued online stalking??

milkworsethan 11y ago

Translation: I want free speech except I want people I don't like to not have it.

ossreality 11y ago
Not really. koko775 spelled it out and you decided to just put words in their mouth.
eevee 11y ago
In what language does "stalking and threatening and hurting others" translate into "people I don't like"?
- Karunamon 11y ago
  The language where "stalking and threatening and hurting" equates to "saying mean things on the internet", or at times "disagreeing with". I'm getting rather tired of seeing words like "harassment" being bandied about as shorthand for incivility.
  - koko775 11y ago
    But that doesn't hold up under scrutiny: reddit explicitly defined their language around harassment to mean: > Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them. http://www.redditblog.com/2015/05/promote-ideas-protect-people.html http://www.redditblog.com/2015/05/promote-ideas-protect-peop... Key words to pay attention to here are: systematic, continued, fear. This isn't about being a jerk, or even being a jerk randomly. It's about being a jerk in a targeted way, a lot and over time, in a very intentional way to the degree that it causes fear to speak up or fear for one's self. Look at the extent to which reddit admins allow hateful speech so long as they don't step outside their boundaries, and you'll understand that they're actually sticking to that definition.