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I think that the Python moratorium has a very good chance of being Python's Perl 6 moment. It's just to easy to lose mindshare. People complain about new being

by madair 17y ago

I think that the Python moratorium has a very good chance of being Python's Perl 6 moment. It's just to easy to lose mindshare. People complain about new being unstable, whether strategically or technically, but a lot of them still like new. I just like to feel like something is alive. This is Python we're talking about, not ADA. Both have their place.

jnoller 17y ago
The moratorium is only on syntax and builtins, not the stdlib, nor the interpreter. I don't see how this can be a "perl 6 moment" when we have multiple, functioning versions, a plethora of alternative interpreters, etc. I would more willing to hear the Python 3 is Python's Perl 6 moment, except we actually shipped a near-production ready version already, which while slow, is seeing gradual adoption.
andrewljohnson 17y ago
The thing about having a "Perl 6 moment" is that there needs to be something better than Perl 6, and Perl 6 needs to suck. Python neither sucks nor has any competitors that are obviously better. And of course there's that nice feature that Python has that Perl never had in any version - the ability to read code twice.
- chromatic 17y ago
  > ... of course there's that nice feature that Python has that Perl never had in any version.... I expect better from HN comments. "I've tried, repeatedly, but I still find sigils difficult to understand" is fine. "I prefer postfix method calls to infix or prefix symbolic operators" is fine. "I've never figured out how to use Perl's copious testing libraries or static analysis tools to write maintainable code" is honest. "I believe that consistent indentation is a primary factor in long-term maintainability" starts to trip my hogwash-o-meter.
algorias 17y ago
If a lot of them like new, then why haven't they switched over to python3? You can hardly fault the python core devs for wanting to wait until users have actually caught up with the language.
chromatic 17y ago
> Python's Perl 6 moment What does that mean? Look at the growth of the CPAN and Perl related projects in general since the Perl 6 announcement (a couple of months after Guido announced he was going to BeOpen to work, in part, on Python 3000). Python would benefit greatly from a minor revolution like Perl had: http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2009/07/milestones-in-the-perl-renaissance.html http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2009/07/milestones-in-the-...

by madair 17y ago

jnoller 17y ago

The moratorium is only on syntax and builtins, not the stdlib, nor the interpreter. I don't see how this can be a "perl 6 moment" when we have multiple, functioning versions, a plethora of alternative interpreters, etc. I would more willing to hear the Python 3 is Python's Perl 6 moment, except we actually shipped a near-production ready version already, which while slow, is seeing gradual adoption.

andrewljohnson 17y ago

The thing about having a "Perl 6 moment" is that there needs to be something better than Perl 6, and Perl 6 needs to suck. Python neither sucks nor has any competitors that are obviously better. And of course there's that nice feature that Python has that Perl never had in any version - the ability to read code twice.

chromatic 17y ago
> ... of course there's that nice feature that Python has that Perl never had in any version.... I expect better from HN comments. "I've tried, repeatedly, but I still find sigils difficult to understand" is fine. "I prefer postfix method calls to infix or prefix symbolic operators" is fine. "I've never figured out how to use Perl's copious testing libraries or static analysis tools to write maintainable code" is honest. "I believe that consistent indentation is a primary factor in long-term maintainability" starts to trip my hogwash-o-meter.

algorias 17y ago

If a lot of them like new, then why haven't they switched over to python3? You can hardly fault the python core devs for wanting to wait until users have actually caught up with the language.

chromatic 17y ago

> Python's Perl 6 moment What does that mean? Look at the growth of the CPAN and Perl related projects in general since the Perl 6 announcement (a couple of months after Guido announced he was going to BeOpen to work, in part, on Python 3000). Python would benefit greatly from a minor revolution like Perl had: http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2009/07/milestones-in-the-perl-renaissance.html http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2009/07/milestones-in-the-...