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The problem with such thoroughly robust StackOverflow answers as this; when I stumble across one as I occasionally do, so taken aback am I by it's succinct comp

by darkr 11y ago

The problem with such thoroughly robust StackOverflow answers as this; when I stumble across one as I occasionally do, so taken aback am I by it's succinct completeness that it becomes irreversably embedded into my limited brain space. I am afraid that one day I will come across an answer so comprehensive I will forget how to ride a bicycle.

DougBTX 11y ago
That takes about eight months of practice apparently. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0
- function_seven 11y ago
  Only if you're an adult! :)
- ars 11y ago
  That's an awesome video! Slightly worried about his son though :)
- jpgvm 11y ago
  This video is amazing.
  - agumonkey 11y ago
    So much in so few time. ps: just remembered that we had a lazy day in primary school where teachers brought asymetric bikes of all kinds (oval wheels, tilted, etc). No inverted direction though. pps: how long would it take to learn new patterns with training wheels ?
    - eru 11y ago
      Probably longer. Might be less frustrating for some people, though.
      - agumonkey 11y ago
        I'm not sure, it seems to me that the difficulty in learning the inverted bike is that the 'experiment' has a very very high threshold. If you deviate you fall, no time for data acquisition. With training wheels you can sense that moment where you fail and start to fall but without stopping.
        eru 11y ago
        Yes, you'll be able to spend more time on the bike. The important part of the space of variables is probably not where the training wheels put you. To bring some (anec-)data into the discussion: I've learned unicycling and seen people learn it. The learners who jump right into it and try again and again to just ride seem to be learning faster than the learner's sliding along walls and holding helpers' hands.
- brobinson 11y ago
  All of the people doing the "10 foot challenge" are looking down at the ground. Looking down at the ground in front of your bicycle (or motorcycle, or any two wheel vehicle) results in a ton of shaking and instability in the handlebars. They're making the challenge about 100x harder for themselves. I would have taken this guy's $200 by simply lining the bike up, keeping my eyes on the horizon, and giving the pedal one solid enough push. I would probably give it back too since I violated the spirit of the challenge. :-) Interesting video. It's funny how countersteering is a seemingly innate ability, but if you explain it to people they will deny that is how a bicycle works.
  - yincrash 11y ago
    You probably would have still failed. Balancing still requires handlebar movement even if you only press on the pedal once.
    - brobinson 11y ago
      You could easily go ten feet without any arm movement assuming you lined yourself up ahead of time and didn't look down at the ground. One solid push with arms locked would suffice.
- rz2k 11y ago
  That's pretty interesting in the context of sailing. It doesn't seem to take much time at all for people to adjust between a tiller and a wheel, or standing behind or in front of a wheel. I think a lot of that has to do with sensing that force is needed to keep from rounding up into the wind. Possibly, having a rudder well forward of the mast would change that, which makes me think that it is also the immediacy of failure that makes it difficult to learn. Anyway, if it were a useful skill, I think learning how to handle reversing handle bars could be made faster with two changes. A longer, more forward front wheel fork, would make the amount of force more apparent to the rider. Second, much larger wheels would be slower to react with failure, so the rider gets a few extra fractions of a second to learn how to react.
ketralnis 11y ago
I often do feel that way about especially thorough material, but this just says "it's that way because it's always been that way"
- darkr 11y ago
  I was more impressed with the tracing through and commentary of individual commits from the present day through the various BSD incarnations and all the way back to 1979: Not the answer as such, but the explanation of.
monochromatic 11y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dbDJzDV1CM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dbDJzDV1CM

by darkr 11y ago

DougBTX 11y ago

That takes about eight months of practice apparently. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0

function_seven 11y ago
Only if you're an adult! :)
ars 11y ago
That's an awesome video! Slightly worried about his son though :)
jpgvm 11y ago
This video is amazing.
- agumonkey 11y ago
  So much in so few time. ps: just remembered that we had a lazy day in primary school where teachers brought asymetric bikes of all kinds (oval wheels, tilted, etc). No inverted direction though. pps: how long would it take to learn new patterns with training wheels ?
  - eru 11y ago
    Probably longer. Might be less frustrating for some people, though.
    - agumonkey 11y ago
      I'm not sure, it seems to me that the difficulty in learning the inverted bike is that the 'experiment' has a very very high threshold. If you deviate you fall, no time for data acquisition. With training wheels you can sense that moment where you fail and start to fall but without stopping.
      - eru 11y ago
        Yes, you'll be able to spend more time on the bike. The important part of the space of variables is probably not where the training wheels put you. To bring some (anec-)data into the discussion: I've learned unicycling and seen people learn it. The learners who jump right into it and try again and again to just ride seem to be learning faster than the learner's sliding along walls and holding helpers' hands.
brobinson 11y ago
All of the people doing the "10 foot challenge" are looking down at the ground. Looking down at the ground in front of your bicycle (or motorcycle, or any two wheel vehicle) results in a ton of shaking and instability in the handlebars. They're making the challenge about 100x harder for themselves. I would have taken this guy's $200 by simply lining the bike up, keeping my eyes on the horizon, and giving the pedal one solid enough push. I would probably give it back too since I violated the spirit of the challenge. :-) Interesting video. It's funny how countersteering is a seemingly innate ability, but if you explain it to people they will deny that is how a bicycle works.
- yincrash 11y ago
  You probably would have still failed. Balancing still requires handlebar movement even if you only press on the pedal once.
  - brobinson 11y ago
    You could easily go ten feet without any arm movement assuming you lined yourself up ahead of time and didn't look down at the ground. One solid push with arms locked would suffice.
rz2k 11y ago
That's pretty interesting in the context of sailing. It doesn't seem to take much time at all for people to adjust between a tiller and a wheel, or standing behind or in front of a wheel. I think a lot of that has to do with sensing that force is needed to keep from rounding up into the wind. Possibly, having a rudder well forward of the mast would change that, which makes me think that it is also the immediacy of failure that makes it difficult to learn. Anyway, if it were a useful skill, I think learning how to handle reversing handle bars could be made faster with two changes. A longer, more forward front wheel fork, would make the amount of force more apparent to the rider. Second, much larger wheels would be slower to react with failure, so the rider gets a few extra fractions of a second to learn how to react.

ketralnis 11y ago

I often do feel that way about especially thorough material, but this just says "it's that way because it's always been that way"

darkr 11y ago
I was more impressed with the tracing through and commentary of individual commits from the present day through the various BSD incarnations and all the way back to 1979: Not the answer as such, but the explanation of.

monochromatic 11y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dbDJzDV1CM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dbDJzDV1CM