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"Honestly dude, do the fucking research. Read the IPCC. Hell even Wikipedia has the fundamentals extremely well explained. We know very, stupid well what's caus

"Honestly dude, do the fucking research. Read the IPCC. Hell even Wikipedia has the fundamentals extremely well explained. We know very, stupid well what's causing the climate to change. CO2 concentration is not just a correlation in the models, but has a directly observable physical effect that has been known about in labs and was later shown to be the primary reason for global warming." Again, "Do the fucking research" is not a debate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age It's interesting that we had a major climate change before the industrial revolution and we still don't underestand completely how it happened. Maybe I'm just smarter than most climate scientists? After all the number fudging that has happened in the last few weeks (and during climate gate), I think it might just be the case.

gnaritas 11y ago
> Maybe I'm just smarter than most climate scientists? You're really not, and your comments bear that out.
- paulhauggis 11y ago
  I can see through most of the political BS that people even here on HN can't seem to grasp. Why is that? I am a little older and more experienced, that might be it. But I shouldn't really be that surprised from a community that willingly rallies around ideas that continues to subjugate them. It puts me about 10 steps ahead of the majority of people. I don't need your acceptance.
  - yongjik 11y ago
    > Why is that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    - paulhauggis 11y ago
      "Conversely, highly skilled individuals tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others" I agree with this. Thanks for the link!
  - gnaritas 11y ago
    > I can see through most of the political BS that people even here on HN can't seem to grasp. Why is that? It isn't, you simply believe that it is; as the guy below said a clear case of Dunning Kruger, you are vastly overestimating your own intelligence. You've done nothing here but repeat plainly ignorant right wing propaganda that's not even smart enough to require disproving. > I don't need your acceptance. No you don't, ignorance kind of works that way.
moultano 11y ago
>Again, "Do the fucking research" is not a debate. Why do you want to debate instead of learn? Why not go read the IPCC report in which your questions are likely to be answered? Don't count on the lay interest of HN commentators, go read what the experts have to say directly. That's what that report is for. >It's interesting that we had a major climate change before the industrial revolution and we still don't underestand completely how it happened. We have a pretty good guess. Native Americans suddenly lost 95% of their population due to plagues introduced from Europe. They in turn stopped burning the forests of the Eastern US. The forests recovered, and pulled a huge amount of carbon out of the air. This caused an ice age.
- paulhauggis 11y ago
  "Why do you want to debate instead of learn?" I do learn. I learn by looking at all evidence and facts rather than just the ones that tell me what I want to hear. Even when it's been shown that evidence has been doctored (like during Climate gate and more recently with the temperature readings), it's just explained away to further write the narrative that man has caused Climate change and anybody that questions it is considered a kook. THIS ISN'T SCIENCE NO MATTER HOW MANY BLOGS AND WEBSITES SAY IT IS!!!! The pope talked about it last week during his speech. He mentioned climate change, but he also mentioned that abortion is wrong (and hurting the environment) and that people that are transgender are against god. Which part do you think the media picked up on? The Left in the US has been demonizing religion for many years..especially the pope due to many anti-science beliefs. Now, because he happens to fit the narrative, he's talked about in those same communities like we should listen. Since there isn't really any scientific basis for his opinion, it really makes me wonder about many of the other "studies" going around the Internet. I've done research on many of the people that claim to be a 'Climate scientist' and most aren't even close. "They in turn stopped burning the forests of the Eastern US. The forests recovered, and pulled a huge amount of carbon out of the air. This caused an ice age." So there are other reasons why the climate changed.
  - reitanqild 11y ago
    While I fully understand paulhauggis being downvoted here a few of the statements are interesting and I haven't seen them refuted. Anyone has an (link to) explanation to this one: > I've done research on many of the people that claim to be a 'Climate scientist' and most aren't even close.
alayne 11y ago
"Climate Gate" was investigated and turned up "no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_c...
- paulhauggis 11y ago
  By the same organization it was against. This conflict of interest should be questioned by anyone.
  - alayne 11y ago
    Nope, by eight different organizations. Your intellectual dishonesty here is sad.

gnaritas 11y ago

> Maybe I'm just smarter than most climate scientists? You're really not, and your comments bear that out.

paulhauggis 11y ago
I can see through most of the political BS that people even here on HN can't seem to grasp. Why is that? I am a little older and more experienced, that might be it. But I shouldn't really be that surprised from a community that willingly rallies around ideas that continues to subjugate them. It puts me about 10 steps ahead of the majority of people. I don't need your acceptance.
- yongjik 11y ago
  > Why is that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  - paulhauggis 11y ago
    "Conversely, highly skilled individuals tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others" I agree with this. Thanks for the link!
- gnaritas 11y ago
  > I can see through most of the political BS that people even here on HN can't seem to grasp. Why is that? It isn't, you simply believe that it is; as the guy below said a clear case of Dunning Kruger, you are vastly overestimating your own intelligence. You've done nothing here but repeat plainly ignorant right wing propaganda that's not even smart enough to require disproving. > I don't need your acceptance. No you don't, ignorance kind of works that way.

moultano 11y ago

>Again, "Do the fucking research" is not a debate. Why do you want to debate instead of learn? Why not go read the IPCC report in which your questions are likely to be answered? Don't count on the lay interest of HN commentators, go read what the experts have to say directly. That's what that report is for. >It's interesting that we had a major climate change before the industrial revolution and we still don't underestand completely how it happened. We have a pretty good guess. Native Americans suddenly lost 95% of their population due to plagues introduced from Europe. They in turn stopped burning the forests of the Eastern US. The forests recovered, and pulled a huge amount of carbon out of the air. This caused an ice age.

paulhauggis 11y ago
"Why do you want to debate instead of learn?" I do learn. I learn by looking at all evidence and facts rather than just the ones that tell me what I want to hear. Even when it's been shown that evidence has been doctored (like during Climate gate and more recently with the temperature readings), it's just explained away to further write the narrative that man has caused Climate change and anybody that questions it is considered a kook. THIS ISN'T SCIENCE NO MATTER HOW MANY BLOGS AND WEBSITES SAY IT IS!!!! The pope talked about it last week during his speech. He mentioned climate change, but he also mentioned that abortion is wrong (and hurting the environment) and that people that are transgender are against god. Which part do you think the media picked up on? The Left in the US has been demonizing religion for many years..especially the pope due to many anti-science beliefs. Now, because he happens to fit the narrative, he's talked about in those same communities like we should listen. Since there isn't really any scientific basis for his opinion, it really makes me wonder about many of the other "studies" going around the Internet. I've done research on many of the people that claim to be a 'Climate scientist' and most aren't even close. "They in turn stopped burning the forests of the Eastern US. The forests recovered, and pulled a huge amount of carbon out of the air. This caused an ice age." So there are other reasons why the climate changed.
- reitanqild 11y ago
  While I fully understand paulhauggis being downvoted here a few of the statements are interesting and I haven't seen them refuted. Anyone has an (link to) explanation to this one: > I've done research on many of the people that claim to be a 'Climate scientist' and most aren't even close.

alayne 11y ago

"Climate Gate" was investigated and turned up "no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_c...

paulhauggis 11y ago
By the same organization it was against. This conflict of interest should be questioned by anyone.
- alayne 11y ago
  Nope, by eight different organizations. Your intellectual dishonesty here is sad.