> If we become a Spring/Hibernate/POJO/VibratorVisitorFactory hellhole, there is no place for me. Over time, that means that I don't have a job. So, damn right,

> If we become a Spring/Hibernate/POJO/VibratorVisitorFactory hellhole, there is no place for me. Over time, that means that I don't have a job. So, damn right, I am personally invested in fighting that garbage before it gets in. Not saying that Spring/Hibernate/etc. are good, but since you haven't proven that they are bad, you sound like someone who is fighting over his interests first before the companies. An enterprise java programmer could give you the same argument, replacing "Spring/Hibernate/POJO/VibratorVisitorFactory" by "Haskell/Clojure/Functional Programming/Hipster stuff". Disclaimer: I myself prefer programming in a functional style and tend to despise (maybe due to ignorance) design patterns.