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apt-get purge google-chrome-stable apt-get install chromium-browser well, that was easy.

by victor9000 11y ago

magicalist 11y ago
> google-chrome-stable uh, you were worried about your binary blob running a binary blob?
- ryanlol 11y ago
  The chromium-browser package is also a binary blob.
- ISL 11y ago
  The difference is the provenance of the binary-blob supplier. Would you be more likely to run a checksummed binary blob from your trusted Debian mirror, or one I send you via email?
  - coldtea 11y ago
    Of course the one you send me via email. It's all about acountability. I'd have someone to beat the shit out of if anything went wrong with that.
  - DannyBee 11y ago
    "Trusted debian mirror". Remind me the accountability on that one? vs a company you can sue for billions?
    - pyre 11y ago
      By this logic, no large company should ever end up on the wrong side of the law, ethics or morality...
      - DannyBee 11y ago
        ???? This is a really extreme takeaway. My point was more "i don't think trusted debian mirror buys you much either" if your goal is to not ship binary blobs not "billion dollar company is great".
    - yrro 11y ago
      You don't need to trust the mirror: http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-secure&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-secure&...
      - DannyBee 11y ago
        This still buys you nothing, unless you have a good reason to trust everyone who has signed all of this? In the end, they are people, you have no reason to trust them more than anyone else. In particular, you have no reason to trust them more or less than a billion dollar corporation.
        nindalf 11y ago
        For some of us, the contributors of Debian are more trustworthy than corporations. We know to a degree of certainty that the maintainers have no interest in turning a profit of us, their user and will not do anything that would harm us. I trust the corporation to not do anything that would harm the corporation. Usually the interests of corporations and users align, so you can't be sure with them. You can be with the maintainers of Debian.
        DannyBee 11y ago
        "We know to a degree of certainty that the maintainers have no interest in turning a profit of us, their user and will not do anything that would harm us" Why do you believe this? How do you know they aren't on various forums selling ways to exploit users by inserting bugs, or whatever? Most open source developers do not in fact, make a lot of money from their programs alone. What stops them from being just as greedy as corporations? Note also this already happens, where open source maintainers sell access to their installers or whatever to malware companies. Why would one believe it won't happen to debian maintainers? Also, i'll also point out a lot of them are employed by corporations you distrust so much, and history shows most people will do what they are told, so if their corporations told them to do something, they'd probably do it. So again, i don't get it. There seems to be no actual reason to trust them more or less. I just see misplaced trust in "the good of people". (Which study after study after study has shown, often goes out the window for very low prices :P)

apt-get purge google-chrome-stable apt-get install chromium-browser well, that was easy.

magicalist 11y ago

> google-chrome-stable uh, you were worried about your binary blob running a binary blob?

ryanlol 11y ago
The chromium-browser package is also a binary blob.
ISL 11y ago
The difference is the provenance of the binary-blob supplier. Would you be more likely to run a checksummed binary blob from your trusted Debian mirror, or one I send you via email?
- coldtea 11y ago
  Of course the one you send me via email. It's all about acountability. I'd have someone to beat the shit out of if anything went wrong with that.
- DannyBee 11y ago
  "Trusted debian mirror". Remind me the accountability on that one? vs a company you can sue for billions?
  - pyre 11y ago
    By this logic, no large company should ever end up on the wrong side of the law, ethics or morality...
    - DannyBee 11y ago
      ???? This is a really extreme takeaway. My point was more "i don't think trusted debian mirror buys you much either" if your goal is to not ship binary blobs not "billion dollar company is great".
  - yrro 11y ago
    You don't need to trust the mirror: http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-secure&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-secure&...
    - DannyBee 11y ago
      This still buys you nothing, unless you have a good reason to trust everyone who has signed all of this? In the end, they are people, you have no reason to trust them more than anyone else. In particular, you have no reason to trust them more or less than a billion dollar corporation.
      - nindalf 11y ago
        For some of us, the contributors of Debian are more trustworthy than corporations. We know to a degree of certainty that the maintainers have no interest in turning a profit of us, their user and will not do anything that would harm us. I trust the corporation to not do anything that would harm the corporation. Usually the interests of corporations and users align, so you can't be sure with them. You can be with the maintainers of Debian.
        DannyBee 11y ago
        "We know to a degree of certainty that the maintainers have no interest in turning a profit of us, their user and will not do anything that would harm us" Why do you believe this? How do you know they aren't on various forums selling ways to exploit users by inserting bugs, or whatever? Most open source developers do not in fact, make a lot of money from their programs alone. What stops them from being just as greedy as corporations? Note also this already happens, where open source maintainers sell access to their installers or whatever to malware companies. Why would one believe it won't happen to debian maintainers? Also, i'll also point out a lot of them are employed by corporations you distrust so much, and history shows most people will do what they are told, so if their corporations told them to do something, they'd probably do it. So again, i don't get it. There seems to be no actual reason to trust them more or less. I just see misplaced trust in "the good of people". (Which study after study after study has shown, often goes out the window for very low prices :P)