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In my experience, the highly opinionated people who are willing to fight and argue to make their point are usually the ones you need to listen to. My experienc

In my experience, the highly opinionated people who are willing to fight and argue to make their point are usually the ones you need to listen to. My experience is the opposite. Very much so. The loud, opinionated fighters tend to be the insecure and inexperienced. The people who know what they're talking about say it once, coherently and concisely. If the company/management routinely listens to the loudmouth, the skilled people drift away to other projects or other employers. If someone don't care (or doesn't know enough about the subject matter) enough to argue at length for their point of view, why would you listen to anything they have to say? Maybe because they're correct? I thought you said that was what mattered?

stephenr 11y ago
> Maybe because they're correct? I thought you said that was what mattered? So you're suggesting they're correct but can't explain their point of view with basic facts/information/references/logic? That.. doesn't sound likely.
- blueflow 11y ago
  Its what happens to me. I usually switch back to damage control as soon as i realise that they don't get it. I also plan on leaving as soon as possible.
- Too 11y ago
  It's not always easy to explain something when you are being interrupted by a loud narcissist after every third word you say. And not tempting to stay in such a place either, I would also minimize the damages and focus my energy on looking for a new job unless the boss deals with the source of the problem.
- EliRivers 11y ago
  So you're suggesting they're correct but can't explain their point of view with basic facts/information/references/logic? No, I am not. Let's look at my words again. "The people who know what they're talking about say it once, coherently and concisely." I thought that was pretty clear. They can explain their point of view. They explain it coherently and concisely. What about that equates to "can't explain"? Are you measuring correctness by how long someone takes to explain it? That.. doesn't sound likely. Of course it doesn't. That's not what I said. Not at all. I genuinely have no idea how you ended up thinking that's what I said, but I'm starting to understand why you're in favour of the loud-mouthed Dunning-Kruger victims.
  - mistermann 11y ago
    > The people who know what they're talking about say it once, coherently and concisely. In my opinion this generalization is only sometimes correct, I have been a personal witness (and participant) in many cases where it most definitely does not hold true.

stephenr 11y ago

> Maybe because they're correct? I thought you said that was what mattered? So you're suggesting they're correct but can't explain their point of view with basic facts/information/references/logic? That.. doesn't sound likely.

blueflow 11y ago
Its what happens to me. I usually switch back to damage control as soon as i realise that they don't get it. I also plan on leaving as soon as possible.
Too 11y ago
It's not always easy to explain something when you are being interrupted by a loud narcissist after every third word you say. And not tempting to stay in such a place either, I would also minimize the damages and focus my energy on looking for a new job unless the boss deals with the source of the problem.
EliRivers 11y ago
So you're suggesting they're correct but can't explain their point of view with basic facts/information/references/logic? No, I am not. Let's look at my words again. "The people who know what they're talking about say it once, coherently and concisely." I thought that was pretty clear. They can explain their point of view. They explain it coherently and concisely. What about that equates to "can't explain"? Are you measuring correctness by how long someone takes to explain it? That.. doesn't sound likely. Of course it doesn't. That's not what I said. Not at all. I genuinely have no idea how you ended up thinking that's what I said, but I'm starting to understand why you're in favour of the loud-mouthed Dunning-Kruger victims.
- mistermann 11y ago
  > The people who know what they're talking about say it once, coherently and concisely. In my opinion this generalization is only sometimes correct, I have been a personal witness (and participant) in many cases where it most definitely does not hold true.