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> It is a hell of a secret weapon for startups. So secret that hardly any startups use it and hardly anyone has open positions for Haskell jobs... You have yo

> It is a hell of a secret weapon for startups. So secret that hardly any startups use it and hardly anyone has open positions for Haskell jobs... You have your work cut out for you :-)

codygman 11y ago
> hardly anyone has open positions for Haskell jobs They do exist (many but not all are mainly Haskell positions): http://jobsearch.monster.com/search/programmer_5?q=haskell http://jobsearch.monster.com/search/programmer_5?q=haskell http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs?searchTerm=haskell http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs?searchTerm=haskell
mightybyte 11y ago
JP Morgan [1], Standard Chartered [2], Skedge.me [3], Soostone [4], and Facebook [5] have all advertised open Haskell positions recently. And those are just the ones that come to mind immediately. [1] https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2015-June/120055.html https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2015-June/12... [2] https://donsbot.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/haskell-dev-role-in-strats-at-standard-chartered-london/ https://donsbot.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/haskell-dev-role-in... [3] http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/32ydm7/haskell_jobs_100_ghc_haskell_no_ruby_scala_php_c/ http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/32ydm7/haskell_jobs... [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9473292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9473292 [5] http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2useoq/haskell_opportunities_at_facebook/ http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2useoq/haskell_oppo...
- r0naa 11y ago
  This is exciting news but the company you mentioned do not really qualify as "startups" though.
  - akurilin 11y ago
    A couple of them mentioned here just for the Bay: http://www.wagonhq.com/blog/bayhac http://www.wagonhq.com/blog/bayhac . Hope we still qualify as a startup!
    - r0naa 11y ago
      Damn, this blog is so cool. Also, I share your excitement for the post cabal-install world :-) Thank you for sharing!
  - cies 11y ago
    JanRain, Silk, Wagon, Better, Bump, Fynder, Hasura, and more. https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry I expect some may keep it a secret, as it might give them some competitive advantage.
- zak_mc_kracken 11y ago
  I didn't say "no one". Any company big enough will have open positions for pretty much any imaginable language or technology out there. But picking Haskell as a start up is suicidal.
  - akurilin 11y ago
    Are there really that many cases of startups saying "oh man, had we only picked tool x instead of tool y, we wouldn't have been dead by now" ?
    - michaelochurch 11y ago
      I've seen startups killed by New Guy CTO Who Really Likes Java. It's rarely a tool that kills a company, though. It's an attitude. It's not the tool's fault. If you use some Java (perhaps you need to be on the JVM, because you're doing Android development or because an external client wants Jars) but allow the better engineers to work in Clojure or Scala, you'll be fine. If you hire the New Guy CTO Who Really Likes Java and people are punished for using high-productivity languages, then you're fucked. (<whine>"How are we going to hire Clojure engineers?"</whine> "Train internal talent up to it, dumbass.") But you'd probably be fucked if you had that same guy and he was fixated on a different platform or language. It isn't Java's fault. It's similar to the debate about Agile/Scrotum, in which defenders of these methodologies blame imperfect people for the messes that these processes often create. The Agile Manifesto is pretty reasonable, all considered. But the sorts of people who will impose Agile from the top down, as a justification for aggressive micromanagement and age discrimination (cf. the terminal juniority of a culture where even senior engineers submit to time tracking)... are also the sorts of people who will destroy your company if they ever get to make decisions that actually affect other people. As for Haskell... I've never met anyone who regretted using it. Of about 20 cases where people put it into production, I've never heard of anyone regretting it. (I have heard regret stories about Scala, especially regarding the build chain circa 2011-13, though it may have improved.) There is one case where that company moved to F#, but it wasn't Haskell's fault so much as a standardization around the Microsoft stack.
      - 11y ago

> It is a hell of a secret weapon for startups. So secret that hardly any startups use it and hardly anyone has open positions for Haskell jobs... You have your work cut out for you :-)

codygman 11y ago

> hardly anyone has open positions for Haskell jobs They do exist (many but not all are mainly Haskell positions): http://jobsearch.monster.com/search/programmer_5?q=haskell http://jobsearch.monster.com/search/programmer_5?q=haskell http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs?searchTerm=haskell http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs?searchTerm=haskell

mightybyte 11y ago

JP Morgan [1], Standard Chartered [2], Skedge.me [3], Soostone [4], and Facebook [5] have all advertised open Haskell positions recently. And those are just the ones that come to mind immediately. [1] https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2015-June/120055.html https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2015-June/12... [2] https://donsbot.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/haskell-dev-role-in-strats-at-standard-chartered-london/ https://donsbot.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/haskell-dev-role-in... [3] http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/32ydm7/haskell_jobs_100_ghc_haskell_no_ruby_scala_php_c/ http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/32ydm7/haskell_jobs... [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9473292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9473292 [5] http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2useoq/haskell_opportunities_at_facebook/ http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2useoq/haskell_oppo...

r0naa 11y ago
This is exciting news but the company you mentioned do not really qualify as "startups" though.
- akurilin 11y ago
  A couple of them mentioned here just for the Bay: http://www.wagonhq.com/blog/bayhac http://www.wagonhq.com/blog/bayhac . Hope we still qualify as a startup!
  - r0naa 11y ago
    Damn, this blog is so cool. Also, I share your excitement for the post cabal-install world :-) Thank you for sharing!
- cies 11y ago
  JanRain, Silk, Wagon, Better, Bump, Fynder, Hasura, and more. https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry I expect some may keep it a secret, as it might give them some competitive advantage.
zak_mc_kracken 11y ago
I didn't say "no one". Any company big enough will have open positions for pretty much any imaginable language or technology out there. But picking Haskell as a start up is suicidal.
- akurilin 11y ago
  Are there really that many cases of startups saying "oh man, had we only picked tool x instead of tool y, we wouldn't have been dead by now" ?
  - michaelochurch 11y ago
    I've seen startups killed by New Guy CTO Who Really Likes Java. It's rarely a tool that kills a company, though. It's an attitude. It's not the tool's fault. If you use some Java (perhaps you need to be on the JVM, because you're doing Android development or because an external client wants Jars) but allow the better engineers to work in Clojure or Scala, you'll be fine. If you hire the New Guy CTO Who Really Likes Java and people are punished for using high-productivity languages, then you're fucked. (<whine>"How are we going to hire Clojure engineers?"</whine> "Train internal talent up to it, dumbass.") But you'd probably be fucked if you had that same guy and he was fixated on a different platform or language. It isn't Java's fault. It's similar to the debate about Agile/Scrotum, in which defenders of these methodologies blame imperfect people for the messes that these processes often create. The Agile Manifesto is pretty reasonable, all considered. But the sorts of people who will impose Agile from the top down, as a justification for aggressive micromanagement and age discrimination (cf. the terminal juniority of a culture where even senior engineers submit to time tracking)... are also the sorts of people who will destroy your company if they ever get to make decisions that actually affect other people. As for Haskell... I've never met anyone who regretted using it. Of about 20 cases where people put it into production, I've never heard of anyone regretting it. (I have heard regret stories about Scala, especially regarding the build chain circa 2011-13, though it may have improved.) There is one case where that company moved to F#, but it wasn't Haskell's fault so much as a standardization around the Microsoft stack.
    - 11y ago