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Don't underestimate sports. I think live sports are what keeps the industry afloat.

by gnoway 11y ago

baddox 11y ago
Don't overestimate people's preferences either. I'm sure tons of people will gladly sit in front of those channels you described all day every day.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  When do we reach the tipping point? Seems to be in every industry. Enough people switch to rooftop solar, utilities can't survive. Enough people switch to electric cars, all of the infrastructure around gas vehicles starts to come undone. What's the tipping point for cable tv? At what point is it no longer sustainable for them to operate as they've traditionally done? Interesting times.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > What's the tipping point for cable tv? At what point is it no longer sustainable for them to operate as they've traditionally done? Its probably not a big deal, in the end; if people cord cut and eschew TV-style content, it might hurt cable providers. But cord cutters that just increase consumption of higher-speed internet services are just transferring demand from "cable TV" to "high speed internet", and the providers of those services are largely the same anyway. So, demand shifts, and CATV fades away and ISP prices increase, and the same big companies make the same big money and have to maintain fewer distinct service offerings to do it.
  - autokad 11y ago
    there are tons of issues with rooftop solar: they still require the grid, its only economically sensible with heavy subsidies and tax rebates (even worse when you consider time valued money), much of the country is unfeasible to run 100% on solar. Hawaii is the most feasible solar place in america, with electricity costing 3x the national average, and yet it has a long way to go and even those solar customers require the utility companies. cable on the other hand, doesn't seem like its that far away. besides infrastructure, one of the reasons why cable is expensive is they have to pay royalties to content providers. lets assume cable went away today, do you really think netflix / hulu would be able to charge the same rate? they are trying to free themselves from the content providers by producing their own original content
diogenescynic 11y ago
If MLB.tv didn't block out Giants games in the Bay Area, I would have already cancelled my cable tv. I think on the tipping point, I can eventually imagine the MLB lifting blackout restrictions.
- mayneack 11y ago
  can you not get them with an antenna?
  - gnoway 11y ago
    Typically a blackout affects all the local channels unless the game is sold out some time prior to game start. They really want you to buy a ticket (and concessions, and memorabilia, and parking, and...)
    - ssalazar 11y ago
      Unlike the NFL, MLB doesn't have attendance-based blackout.
      - diogenescynic 11y ago
        I'm not sure how it works, but the Giants contract is with Comcast SportsNet and 99% of the games are on their channel which is cable only.
  - jghn 11y ago
    Perhaps not. The Red Sox are (almost) not OTA for instance
  - ssalazar 11y ago
    Nowadays, in the Bay Area, day-to-day baseball games are broadcast on cable-only channels.
ineedtosleep 11y ago
Probably. It would actually be nice to see statistics for how many businesses (i.e. bars, gyms, restaurants) have cable/satellite subscriptions, especially for sports. I too am without cable, but there's hardly a shortage of places that have the next game on a TV around me. Having a pint or two for the occasional game (or sitting at the squat rack or elliptical while watching TV) is a much better alternative than paying ludicrous amounts every month.
damoncali 11y ago
I get cable for four months a year to watch college football. Then I cancel it. Kind of a pain, but that's what it's come down to. Incidentally, it is WAY easier to cancel a Cox account in person at the local office than on the phone.
- avn2109 11y ago
  Protip: If canceling telecom/tv/whatever crappy ossified subscription business, tell them you are immediately moving to a very remote location. I usually say I've joined the Peace Core and am leaving for Namibia next week. After you repeat this a few times they stop nagging and escalating you and just cancel the service.
  - pkulak 11y ago
    I usually just repeat the same exact phrase until they give up on the script. Three times is usually the max times someone will listen to me repeat "I would like to cancel my service" before they laugh and just do it.
  - pekk 11y ago
    your lying is screwing over people who join the Peace Corps. If you don't want to be on a contract, don't sign a contract.
- cweiss 11y ago
  Ditto - Hockey season for me. As a TiVo user from day one, it's been interesting to see over the years the progress (and lack therof) being made in the provisioning process - especially for non-cable-company-owned hardware. Back in the early days, it'd almost always take at least one in-person visit to activate the cable card - Frequently two. Nowadays, I can get it done in 3 or less phone calls. Did I mention I hate cable?
rodgerd 11y ago
A monopoly in live sports is what keeps the Murdoch empire afloat and free to fund his political intervention.

Don't underestimate sports. I think live sports are what keeps the industry afloat.

by gnoway 11y ago

Don't underestimate sports. I think live sports are what keeps the industry afloat.

Don't overestimate people's preferences either. I'm sure tons of people will gladly sit in front of those channels you described all day every day.

toomuchtodo 11y ago
When do we reach the tipping point? Seems to be in every industry. Enough people switch to rooftop solar, utilities can't survive. Enough people switch to electric cars, all of the infrastructure around gas vehicles starts to come undone. What's the tipping point for cable tv? At what point is it no longer sustainable for them to operate as they've traditionally done? Interesting times.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > What's the tipping point for cable tv? At what point is it no longer sustainable for them to operate as they've traditionally done? Its probably not a big deal, in the end; if people cord cut and eschew TV-style content, it might hurt cable providers. But cord cutters that just increase consumption of higher-speed internet services are just transferring demand from "cable TV" to "high speed internet", and the providers of those services are largely the same anyway. So, demand shifts, and CATV fades away and ISP prices increase, and the same big companies make the same big money and have to maintain fewer distinct service offerings to do it.
- autokad 11y ago
  there are tons of issues with rooftop solar: they still require the grid, its only economically sensible with heavy subsidies and tax rebates (even worse when you consider time valued money), much of the country is unfeasible to run 100% on solar. Hawaii is the most feasible solar place in america, with electricity costing 3x the national average, and yet it has a long way to go and even those solar customers require the utility companies. cable on the other hand, doesn't seem like its that far away. besides infrastructure, one of the reasons why cable is expensive is they have to pay royalties to content providers. lets assume cable went away today, do you really think netflix / hulu would be able to charge the same rate? they are trying to free themselves from the content providers by producing their own original content

diogenescynic 11y ago

If MLB.tv didn't block out Giants games in the Bay Area, I would have already cancelled my cable tv. I think on the tipping point, I can eventually imagine the MLB lifting blackout restrictions.

mayneack 11y ago
can you not get them with an antenna?
- gnoway 11y ago
  Typically a blackout affects all the local channels unless the game is sold out some time prior to game start. They really want you to buy a ticket (and concessions, and memorabilia, and parking, and...)
  - ssalazar 11y ago
    Unlike the NFL, MLB doesn't have attendance-based blackout.
    - diogenescynic 11y ago
      I'm not sure how it works, but the Giants contract is with Comcast SportsNet and 99% of the games are on their channel which is cable only.
- jghn 11y ago
  Perhaps not. The Red Sox are (almost) not OTA for instance
- ssalazar 11y ago
  Nowadays, in the Bay Area, day-to-day baseball games are broadcast on cable-only channels.

ineedtosleep 11y ago

Probably. It would actually be nice to see statistics for how many businesses (i.e. bars, gyms, restaurants) have cable/satellite subscriptions, especially for sports. I too am without cable, but there's hardly a shortage of places that have the next game on a TV around me. Having a pint or two for the occasional game (or sitting at the squat rack or elliptical while watching TV) is a much better alternative than paying ludicrous amounts every month.

damoncali 11y ago

I get cable for four months a year to watch college football. Then I cancel it. Kind of a pain, but that's what it's come down to. Incidentally, it is WAY easier to cancel a Cox account in person at the local office than on the phone.

avn2109 11y ago
Protip: If canceling telecom/tv/whatever crappy ossified subscription business, tell them you are immediately moving to a very remote location. I usually say I've joined the Peace Core and am leaving for Namibia next week. After you repeat this a few times they stop nagging and escalating you and just cancel the service.
- pkulak 11y ago
  I usually just repeat the same exact phrase until they give up on the script. Three times is usually the max times someone will listen to me repeat "I would like to cancel my service" before they laugh and just do it.
- pekk 11y ago
  your lying is screwing over people who join the Peace Corps. If you don't want to be on a contract, don't sign a contract.
cweiss 11y ago
Ditto - Hockey season for me. As a TiVo user from day one, it's been interesting to see over the years the progress (and lack therof) being made in the provisioning process - especially for non-cable-company-owned hardware. Back in the early days, it'd almost always take at least one in-person visit to activate the cable card - Frequently two. Nowadays, I can get it done in 3 or less phone calls. Did I mention I hate cable?

rodgerd 11y ago

A monopoly in live sports is what keeps the Murdoch empire afloat and free to fund his political intervention.