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I'm a Canadian citizen (but I live in the US), so I think I know what' hes' referring to. With Bill C-24, whether you were born in Canada or were naturalised,

I'm a Canadian citizen (but I live in the US), so I think I know what' hes' referring to. With Bill C-24, whether you were born in Canada or were naturalised, if you qualify for another citizenship or hold citizenship from another country, the government can take away your Canadian citizenship if it considers you to be a terrorist or threat to the country. I'm against it.

dflock 11y ago
And, I think, bill C-51 considerably widens the definition of 'terrorist or threat to the country'.
chx 11y ago
To quote https://bccla.org/2015/06/its-official-second-class-citizenship-goes-into-effect/ https://bccla.org/2015/06/its-official-second-class-citizens... The new provisions allow officials to take away a person’s citizenship based on criminal convictions that occur outside of Canada, regardless whether the regime or judicial system under which the person was convicted is undemocratic or lacks the rule of law.
- themartorana 11y ago
  WTF Canada? The last place I would have guessed would tier class to provide unequal protection under and application of the law would be Canada. Are they really more worried about the abstract idea of Jihadist Muslims than America?
  - 8note 11y ago
    Nah, Harper's worried about environmentalists, and other possible threats to the dangerous pipelines his friends from the oil business want to put it. C-51 allows them to brand people as terrorists, and C-24 lets them ship'em out to one of the USA's torture facilities.
refurb 11y ago
Why is this shocking? Most countries will do this. Look at all the former Nazi's who had their citizenship revoked in Canada and the US. That's why they ask (at least in the US citizenship application) "Have you ever been a member of a terrorist organization?". If you answer "no" and turn out to be one, they say you lied on your application and your citizenship is revoked.
- stormbrew 11y ago
  The issue is it broadened it to a political instead of a judicial decision. Your citizenship can be revoked on the basis of a foreign country's conviction (say... Saudi Arabia perhaps?), which didn't used to be the case, and the decision happens from the office of PM. Prior to C-24 there was a mechanism for stripping citizenship for treason and terrorism, but the bar was higher and at least potentially less political.
- funkyy 11y ago
  Actually most western European countries wont do this. They will try to re-socialize terrorists.
  - refurb 11y ago
    France: "French Court Rules It's Not Wrong To Revoke Citizenship Of A Convicted Binational Jihadist" http://www.ibtimes.com/french-court-rules-its-not-wrong-revoke-citizenship-convicted-binational-jihadist-1792602 http://www.ibtimes.com/french-court-rules-its-not-wrong-revo... Britain: Britain Increasingly Invokes Power to Disown Its Citizens http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/10/world/europe/britains-power-to-disown-its-citizens-raises-questions.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/10/world/europe/britains-powe... Other countries include: Netherlands, however it looks like many don't as well. http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/european_migration_network/reports/docs/ad-hoc-queries/visas/604_emn_ahq_revoking_citizenship_terrorism_25september2014_en.pdf http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/eur...
    - chx 11y ago

dflock 11y ago

And, I think, bill C-51 considerably widens the definition of 'terrorist or threat to the country'.

chx 11y ago

To quote https://bccla.org/2015/06/its-official-second-class-citizenship-goes-into-effect/ https://bccla.org/2015/06/its-official-second-class-citizens... The new provisions allow officials to take away a person’s citizenship based on criminal convictions that occur outside of Canada, regardless whether the regime or judicial system under which the person was convicted is undemocratic or lacks the rule of law.

themartorana 11y ago
WTF Canada? The last place I would have guessed would tier class to provide unequal protection under and application of the law would be Canada. Are they really more worried about the abstract idea of Jihadist Muslims than America?
- 8note 11y ago
  Nah, Harper's worried about environmentalists, and other possible threats to the dangerous pipelines his friends from the oil business want to put it. C-51 allows them to brand people as terrorists, and C-24 lets them ship'em out to one of the USA's torture facilities.

refurb 11y ago

Why is this shocking? Most countries will do this. Look at all the former Nazi's who had their citizenship revoked in Canada and the US. That's why they ask (at least in the US citizenship application) "Have you ever been a member of a terrorist organization?". If you answer "no" and turn out to be one, they say you lied on your application and your citizenship is revoked.

stormbrew 11y ago
The issue is it broadened it to a political instead of a judicial decision. Your citizenship can be revoked on the basis of a foreign country's conviction (say... Saudi Arabia perhaps?), which didn't used to be the case, and the decision happens from the office of PM. Prior to C-24 there was a mechanism for stripping citizenship for treason and terrorism, but the bar was higher and at least potentially less political.
funkyy 11y ago
Actually most western European countries wont do this. They will try to re-socialize terrorists.
- refurb 11y ago
  France: "French Court Rules It's Not Wrong To Revoke Citizenship Of A Convicted Binational Jihadist" http://www.ibtimes.com/french-court-rules-its-not-wrong-revoke-citizenship-convicted-binational-jihadist-1792602 http://www.ibtimes.com/french-court-rules-its-not-wrong-revo... Britain: Britain Increasingly Invokes Power to Disown Its Citizens http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/10/world/europe/britains-power-to-disown-its-citizens-raises-questions.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/10/world/europe/britains-powe... Other countries include: Netherlands, however it looks like many don't as well. http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/european_migration_network/reports/docs/ad-hoc-queries/visas/604_emn_ahq_revoking_citizenship_terrorism_25september2014_en.pdf http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/eur...
  - chx 11y ago