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Who told you that? Insulin does not produce inflammation. On anything resembling a normal cuisine the relative share of carbohydrate vs. saturated fat really do

Who told you that? Insulin does not produce inflammation. On anything resembling a normal cuisine the relative share of carbohydrate vs. saturated fat really doesn't matter much. I hate to break it to you but the Taubes shtick is laughable garbage.

s_baby 11y ago
>Who told you that? Insulin does not produce inflammation. These are just from the first page of google. The covariance between insulin, inflammation, and heart disease is well established at this point. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915008008381 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915008... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704240/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704240/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936531 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936531 >On anything resembling a normal cuisine the relative share of carbohydrate vs. saturated fat really doesn't matter much. Vegetarian diet isn't a normal cuisine. Vegetarians tend to reduce protein intake and compensate with something else. The easiest substitute being carbs. If you aren't actually increasing your vegetable intake and eating quality food the vegetarian diet can be very unhealthy. A couple vegetarians I know are technically obese. >I hate to break it to you but the Taubes shtick is laughable garbage. I don't know who Taubes is. The guy who convinced me is Dr. Lustig from the "Fed Up" documentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
- a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
  Insulin resistance is about being diseased already. You don't understand what insulin does in a normal, healthy person. It's good and fine. I personally wouldn't advocate for a vegetarian diet but with plenty of dairy it's fine. The irish peasantry got along famously well on almost exclusively milk and potatoes for a very long time, for example. Traditional indian "vegetarian" diet was loaded with dairy.
  - s_baby 11y ago
    Insulin resistance is caused by leading a lifestyle where you are constantly spiking your insulin levels through diet, lifestyle, genetics, etc... Like any hormone or steroid your body develops a tolerance and you need to increase the dosage to have the same effect while also increasing the side effects. Everyone who eats carbs has some level of resistance not just "diseased already". A typical Irish or Russian diet without meat is fine by current norms but not optimal. Eating a veggie burger with fries and milk is not a great diet though.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      You're replying to someone who has strong opinions about sugar. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8343010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8343010
      - s_baby 11y ago
        That's pretty extreme...
      - a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
        I'm a bit tired of your passive aggressive sniping. You post everywhere constantly and pretty much never make an interesting or insightful point. It's all either meta-sperging about HN, banal fluff write-ups of things you just googled, or passive agressive sniping and tut-tutting. Maybe go put on your anorak and watch some trains for a change. It'll do your mental health good.
- CuriouslyC 11y ago
  You're wrong, you're looking at covariates in a disease state and assuming causation. In actuality, insulin is ANTI-inflammatory, while circulating blood glucose is mildly inflammatory, and the problem is insulin-RESISTANCE. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17563472 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17563472 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21899513 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21899513
  - s_baby 11y ago
    Routinely spiking your insulin levels through excessive carb intake is what leads to insulin resistance. >you're looking at covariates in a disease state Insulin resistance as a discrete state is useful for experimental purposes but everyone has insulin resistance to some degree.
    - CuriouslyC 11y ago
      Insulin resistance is defined by abnormally high blood glucose concentration in the presence of insulin. It may be true that for sedentary people who consume a typical western diet, abnormal is "normal" but that doesn't justify the statement "everyone has insulin resistance to some degree". As for "spiking" insulin levels as the cause for insulin resistance, that is hardly proven. Inflammation has been shown to directly induce insulin resistance. Current evidence seems to indicate the problem is blood glucose levels remaining elevated (despite elevated insulin); this happens because there is a limit to the rate of receptor mediated transport.
eclipxe 11y ago
You're completely wrong.

s_baby 11y ago

>Who told you that? Insulin does not produce inflammation. These are just from the first page of google. The covariance between insulin, inflammation, and heart disease is well established at this point. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915008008381 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915008... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704240/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704240/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936531 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936531 >On anything resembling a normal cuisine the relative share of carbohydrate vs. saturated fat really doesn't matter much. Vegetarian diet isn't a normal cuisine. Vegetarians tend to reduce protein intake and compensate with something else. The easiest substitute being carbs. If you aren't actually increasing your vegetable intake and eating quality food the vegetarian diet can be very unhealthy. A couple vegetarians I know are technically obese. >I hate to break it to you but the Taubes shtick is laughable garbage. I don't know who Taubes is. The guy who convinced me is Dr. Lustig from the "Fed Up" documentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
Insulin resistance is about being diseased already. You don't understand what insulin does in a normal, healthy person. It's good and fine. I personally wouldn't advocate for a vegetarian diet but with plenty of dairy it's fine. The irish peasantry got along famously well on almost exclusively milk and potatoes for a very long time, for example. Traditional indian "vegetarian" diet was loaded with dairy.
- s_baby 11y ago
  Insulin resistance is caused by leading a lifestyle where you are constantly spiking your insulin levels through diet, lifestyle, genetics, etc... Like any hormone or steroid your body develops a tolerance and you need to increase the dosage to have the same effect while also increasing the side effects. Everyone who eats carbs has some level of resistance not just "diseased already". A typical Irish or Russian diet without meat is fine by current norms but not optimal. Eating a veggie burger with fries and milk is not a great diet though.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    You're replying to someone who has strong opinions about sugar. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8343010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8343010
    - s_baby 11y ago
      That's pretty extreme...
    - a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
      I'm a bit tired of your passive aggressive sniping. You post everywhere constantly and pretty much never make an interesting or insightful point. It's all either meta-sperging about HN, banal fluff write-ups of things you just googled, or passive agressive sniping and tut-tutting. Maybe go put on your anorak and watch some trains for a change. It'll do your mental health good.
CuriouslyC 11y ago
You're wrong, you're looking at covariates in a disease state and assuming causation. In actuality, insulin is ANTI-inflammatory, while circulating blood glucose is mildly inflammatory, and the problem is insulin-RESISTANCE. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17563472 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17563472 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21899513 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21899513
- s_baby 11y ago
  Routinely spiking your insulin levels through excessive carb intake is what leads to insulin resistance. >you're looking at covariates in a disease state Insulin resistance as a discrete state is useful for experimental purposes but everyone has insulin resistance to some degree.
  - CuriouslyC 11y ago
    Insulin resistance is defined by abnormally high blood glucose concentration in the presence of insulin. It may be true that for sedentary people who consume a typical western diet, abnormal is "normal" but that doesn't justify the statement "everyone has insulin resistance to some degree". As for "spiking" insulin levels as the cause for insulin resistance, that is hardly proven. Inflammation has been shown to directly induce insulin resistance. Current evidence seems to indicate the problem is blood glucose levels remaining elevated (despite elevated insulin); this happens because there is a limit to the rate of receptor mediated transport.

eclipxe 11y ago

You're completely wrong.