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It's PUFA consumption. They're using corn and soy oil and peanut oil with everything rather than their traditional ghee. They're probably also eating less dairy

It's PUFA consumption. They're using corn and soy oil and peanut oil with everything rather than their traditional ghee. They're probably also eating less dairy overall.

raverbashing 11y ago
This might be a possibility, though in the article it seems the risks are similar if they're in the US or India It might be a systemic cultural thing though.
s_baby 11y ago
Could also be excessive carb consumption. Spikes in insulin lead to artery inflammation and the conversion of saturated fat into cholesterol.
- a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
  Who told you that? Insulin does not produce inflammation. On anything resembling a normal cuisine the relative share of carbohydrate vs. saturated fat really doesn't matter much. I hate to break it to you but the Taubes shtick is laughable garbage.
  - s_baby 11y ago
    >Who told you that? Insulin does not produce inflammation. These are just from the first page of google. The covariance between insulin, inflammation, and heart disease is well established at this point. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915008008381 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915008... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704240/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704240/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936531 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936531 >On anything resembling a normal cuisine the relative share of carbohydrate vs. saturated fat really doesn't matter much. Vegetarian diet isn't a normal cuisine. Vegetarians tend to reduce protein intake and compensate with something else. The easiest substitute being carbs. If you aren't actually increasing your vegetable intake and eating quality food the vegetarian diet can be very unhealthy. A couple vegetarians I know are technically obese. >I hate to break it to you but the Taubes shtick is laughable garbage. I don't know who Taubes is. The guy who convinced me is Dr. Lustig from the "Fed Up" documentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
    - a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
      Insulin resistance is about being diseased already. You don't understand what insulin does in a normal, healthy person. It's good and fine. I personally wouldn't advocate for a vegetarian diet but with plenty of dairy it's fine. The irish peasantry got along famously well on almost exclusively milk and potatoes for a very long time, for example. Traditional indian "vegetarian" diet was loaded with dairy.
      - s_baby 11y ago
        Insulin resistance is caused by leading a lifestyle where you are constantly spiking your insulin levels through diet, lifestyle, genetics, etc... Like any hormone or steroid your body develops a tolerance and you need to increase the dosage to have the same effect while also increasing the side effects. Everyone who eats carbs has some level of resistance not just "diseased already". A typical Irish or Russian diet without meat is fine by current norms but not optimal. Eating a veggie burger with fries and milk is not a great diet though.
        DanBC 11y ago
        You're replying to someone who has strong opinions about sugar. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8343010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8343010
        s_baby 11y ago
        That's pretty extreme...
        a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
        I'm a bit tired of your passive aggressive sniping. You post everywhere constantly and pretty much never make an interesting or insightful point. It's all either meta-sperging about HN, banal fluff write-ups of things you just googled, or passive agressive sniping and tut-tutting. Maybe go put on your anorak and watch some trains for a change. It'll do your mental health good.
    - 11y ago
  - eclipxe 11y ago
    You're completely wrong.
infinitone 11y ago
Yup, thats why some people have started to use olive and the new craze: coconut oil. Albeit, there are other reasons but this is one of them. Most vegetable oils except palm, olive and coconut oil are high in PUFAs.
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  Ironically(?) palm and coconut oils are largely cholesterol which was demonized until recently.
  - nate_meurer 11y ago
    There is no cholesterol in any vegetable oil. Cholesterol is strictly of animal origin.
    - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
      Sorry, I got that wrong. Its got record levels of lauric acid, which raises blood cholesterol in humans.
      - nate_meurer 11y ago
        True, but lauric acid raises HDL much more than LDL, resulting in a ratio that's actually thought to lead to better cardiovascular health. Clinical evidence for this is a bit lacking, but I've never heard it seriously suggested that coconut oil is bad for the heart. Palm oil on the other hand is mostly made of palmitic and oleic acids, which are associated with less favorable HDL/LDL ratios, but here again the clinical evidence is thin. Generally, the association between vegetable fats and heart disease is tenuous and confounded by other more significant dietary variables.
CuriouslyC 11y ago
Can you please cite some studies that demonstrate that PUFAs are unhealthy? The typical rhetoric is that omega-6 fatty acids are pro-inflammatory, but the studies I've seen have not shown a correlation between linoleic acid intake and common inflammatory biomarkers.

It's PUFA consumption. They're using corn and soy oil and peanut oil with everything rather than their traditional ghee. They're probably also eating less dairy overall.

raverbashing 11y ago

This might be a possibility, though in the article it seems the risks are similar if they're in the US or India It might be a systemic cultural thing though.

s_baby 11y ago

Could also be excessive carb consumption. Spikes in insulin lead to artery inflammation and the conversion of saturated fat into cholesterol.

a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
Who told you that? Insulin does not produce inflammation. On anything resembling a normal cuisine the relative share of carbohydrate vs. saturated fat really doesn't matter much. I hate to break it to you but the Taubes shtick is laughable garbage.
- s_baby 11y ago
  >Who told you that? Insulin does not produce inflammation. These are just from the first page of google. The covariance between insulin, inflammation, and heart disease is well established at this point. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915008008381 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021915008... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704240/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704240/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936531 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936531 >On anything resembling a normal cuisine the relative share of carbohydrate vs. saturated fat really doesn't matter much. Vegetarian diet isn't a normal cuisine. Vegetarians tend to reduce protein intake and compensate with something else. The easiest substitute being carbs. If you aren't actually increasing your vegetable intake and eating quality food the vegetarian diet can be very unhealthy. A couple vegetarians I know are technically obese. >I hate to break it to you but the Taubes shtick is laughable garbage. I don't know who Taubes is. The guy who convinced me is Dr. Lustig from the "Fed Up" documentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
  - a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
    Insulin resistance is about being diseased already. You don't understand what insulin does in a normal, healthy person. It's good and fine. I personally wouldn't advocate for a vegetarian diet but with plenty of dairy it's fine. The irish peasantry got along famously well on almost exclusively milk and potatoes for a very long time, for example. Traditional indian "vegetarian" diet was loaded with dairy.
    - s_baby 11y ago
      Insulin resistance is caused by leading a lifestyle where you are constantly spiking your insulin levels through diet, lifestyle, genetics, etc... Like any hormone or steroid your body develops a tolerance and you need to increase the dosage to have the same effect while also increasing the side effects. Everyone who eats carbs has some level of resistance not just "diseased already". A typical Irish or Russian diet without meat is fine by current norms but not optimal. Eating a veggie burger with fries and milk is not a great diet though.
      - DanBC 11y ago
        You're replying to someone who has strong opinions about sugar. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8343010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8343010
        s_baby 11y ago
        That's pretty extreme...
        a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
        I'm a bit tired of your passive aggressive sniping. You post everywhere constantly and pretty much never make an interesting or insightful point. It's all either meta-sperging about HN, banal fluff write-ups of things you just googled, or passive agressive sniping and tut-tutting. Maybe go put on your anorak and watch some trains for a change. It'll do your mental health good.
  - 11y ago
- eclipxe 11y ago
  You're completely wrong.

infinitone 11y ago

Yup, thats why some people have started to use olive and the new craze: coconut oil. Albeit, there are other reasons but this is one of them. Most vegetable oils except palm, olive and coconut oil are high in PUFAs.

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
Ironically(?) palm and coconut oils are largely cholesterol which was demonized until recently.
- nate_meurer 11y ago
  There is no cholesterol in any vegetable oil. Cholesterol is strictly of animal origin.
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    Sorry, I got that wrong. Its got record levels of lauric acid, which raises blood cholesterol in humans.
    - nate_meurer 11y ago
      True, but lauric acid raises HDL much more than LDL, resulting in a ratio that's actually thought to lead to better cardiovascular health. Clinical evidence for this is a bit lacking, but I've never heard it seriously suggested that coconut oil is bad for the heart. Palm oil on the other hand is mostly made of palmitic and oleic acids, which are associated with less favorable HDL/LDL ratios, but here again the clinical evidence is thin. Generally, the association between vegetable fats and heart disease is tenuous and confounded by other more significant dietary variables.

CuriouslyC 11y ago

Can you please cite some studies that demonstrate that PUFAs are unhealthy? The typical rhetoric is that omega-6 fatty acids are pro-inflammatory, but the studies I've seen have not shown a correlation between linoleic acid intake and common inflammatory biomarkers.