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> So is anyone building such a smartphone? Perhaps a more appropriate question is not so much if anyone is building a smartphone (from a hardware definition) s

> So is anyone building such a smartphone? Perhaps a more appropriate question is not so much if anyone is building a smartphone (from a hardware definition) so much as is anyone building an operating system which runs on commonly available smartphone devices which does not employ these tactics? > And if not, why? I'm certain there are efforts in motion which seek to establish a viable choice for many smartphone owners in what their devices run. As to "the commodification of our private information", well, I have to ask: why accept this in the first place?

mirimir 11y ago
> Perhaps a more appropriate question is not so much if anyone is building a smartphone (from a hardware definition) ... The baseband is a huge security hole. The provider in large part owns the device, regardless of what software it's running. > ... so much as is anyone building an operating system which runs on commonly available smartphone devices which does not employ these tactics? I can live with Linux ;)
- bratch 11y ago
  You may be interested in the Neo900 [1] project, which is building a trustworthy mobile phone and will support a variety of free software operating systems. It will be possible to run with completely FLOSS software (including drivers) and it even solves the problem of the baseband modem having full control over the main CPU/memory. [1] http://neo900.org/ http://neo900.org/
  - mirimir 11y ago
    Thanks! Now if they accepted Bitcoins ... But hey, I'll ask.
- AdieuToLogic 11y ago
  > The baseband is a huge security hole. The provider in large part owns the device, regardless of what software it's running. In the US at least, this is not the case: https://www.fcc.gov/device-unlocking-faq https://www.fcc.gov/device-unlocking-faq The cellular provider no more "owns the device" than the cable company "owns your TV." > I can live with Linux ;) But you are not living with Linux. You are living with Android ;-).
  - mirimir 11y ago
    I don't do cable TV. Same reason ;) I'm not living with Android. I'm waiting for Linux. Edit: I don't mean "own" literally, financially. I mean "own" in the sense of access and control. So yes, I can root "my" device, but I can't root the baseband radio.
    - AdieuToLogic 11y ago
      Then this might be what you have been waiting for: http://kali4hackers.blogspot.com/2013/09/install-kali-linux-on-android-phone-or.html http://kali4hackers.blogspot.com/2013/09/install-kali-linux-...
    - mirimir 11y ago
      Oops, ran out of reply levels. And yes, one can run Linux. But you're still running the Android kernel :(
haxel 11y ago
The next X-prize should be for the best implementation of a smartphone OS/GUI where the "smartphone" has no I/O whatsoever except for the touchscreen and a charging/debug port. If that couldn't crank up our creativity, nothing could.
- AdieuToLogic 11y ago
  For me, it's tough to say what value a smartphone would have if it could not leverage its hardware aside from being a form of a kiosk. Not harshing you or anything, I just can't see it. I'm up for learning though :-).
  - haxel 11y ago
    I'd set it up as a behavioral mirror. Naturally I have a horse in this race :) Inputs would be the actions you take in life (choices you've made) and how they relate to your goals (which depend on actions). Output would be an interactive visualization of past actions. The purpose would be to help improve the quality of your choices (actions you take) to better achieve your goals. Algorithms would work with the accumulated information to pull out correlations, patterns, and in general accelerate the process. No Internet required, and so much greater security, privacy, and trust than usual. Which is freeing in many ways.
    - s73v3r 11y ago
      One of the biggest values I get from a smartphone, and I suspect the vast majority of otherse are with me, is the fact that it connects me to the global repository of human knowledge. Cutting off the internet would neuter it to me.
    - haxel 11y ago
      @s73v3r, Self-knowledge can be tremendously rewarding too. Smartphones aren't going anywhere, but their value proposition is not the only one available. If we were to jump-start our creativity through tight constraints like the X-prize idea, I expect that we'd end up combining the best of our current technology with the best of the new. Or maybe the worst of both...

mirimir 11y ago

> Perhaps a more appropriate question is not so much if anyone is building a smartphone (from a hardware definition) ... The baseband is a huge security hole. The provider in large part owns the device, regardless of what software it's running. > ... so much as is anyone building an operating system which runs on commonly available smartphone devices which does not employ these tactics? I can live with Linux ;)

bratch 11y ago
You may be interested in the Neo900 [1] project, which is building a trustworthy mobile phone and will support a variety of free software operating systems. It will be possible to run with completely FLOSS software (including drivers) and it even solves the problem of the baseband modem having full control over the main CPU/memory. [1] http://neo900.org/ http://neo900.org/
- mirimir 11y ago
  Thanks! Now if they accepted Bitcoins ... But hey, I'll ask.
AdieuToLogic 11y ago
> The baseband is a huge security hole. The provider in large part owns the device, regardless of what software it's running. In the US at least, this is not the case: https://www.fcc.gov/device-unlocking-faq https://www.fcc.gov/device-unlocking-faq The cellular provider no more "owns the device" than the cable company "owns your TV." > I can live with Linux ;) But you are not living with Linux. You are living with Android ;-).
- mirimir 11y ago
  I don't do cable TV. Same reason ;) I'm not living with Android. I'm waiting for Linux. Edit: I don't mean "own" literally, financially. I mean "own" in the sense of access and control. So yes, I can root "my" device, but I can't root the baseband radio.
  - AdieuToLogic 11y ago
    Then this might be what you have been waiting for: http://kali4hackers.blogspot.com/2013/09/install-kali-linux-on-android-phone-or.html http://kali4hackers.blogspot.com/2013/09/install-kali-linux-...
  - mirimir 11y ago
    Oops, ran out of reply levels. And yes, one can run Linux. But you're still running the Android kernel :(

haxel 11y ago

The next X-prize should be for the best implementation of a smartphone OS/GUI where the "smartphone" has no I/O whatsoever except for the touchscreen and a charging/debug port. If that couldn't crank up our creativity, nothing could.

AdieuToLogic 11y ago
For me, it's tough to say what value a smartphone would have if it could not leverage its hardware aside from being a form of a kiosk. Not harshing you or anything, I just can't see it. I'm up for learning though :-).
- haxel 11y ago
  I'd set it up as a behavioral mirror. Naturally I have a horse in this race :) Inputs would be the actions you take in life (choices you've made) and how they relate to your goals (which depend on actions). Output would be an interactive visualization of past actions. The purpose would be to help improve the quality of your choices (actions you take) to better achieve your goals. Algorithms would work with the accumulated information to pull out correlations, patterns, and in general accelerate the process. No Internet required, and so much greater security, privacy, and trust than usual. Which is freeing in many ways.
  - s73v3r 11y ago
    One of the biggest values I get from a smartphone, and I suspect the vast majority of otherse are with me, is the fact that it connects me to the global repository of human knowledge. Cutting off the internet would neuter it to me.
  - haxel 11y ago
    @s73v3r, Self-knowledge can be tremendously rewarding too. Smartphones aren't going anywhere, but their value proposition is not the only one available. If we were to jump-start our creativity through tight constraints like the X-prize idea, I expect that we'd end up combining the best of our current technology with the best of the new. Or maybe the worst of both...