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I have no idea why you got downvoted. I simply don't believe that there is a single employer out there who would not lie to their employees. And your question

I have no idea why you got downvoted. I simply don't believe that there is a single employer out there who would not lie to their employees. And your question to Aloisius is excellent: what's in it for us?

Aloisius 11y ago
I would think the possibility of not being miserable for a third of your life would be more than enough incentive. I suppose though if you're worldview is that you're destined to be nothing but a cog in the meat grinder of humanity, then that must sound like a pipe dream. And frankly, it doesn't sound like it would be possible for one to ever be happy even in a good environment with that kind of deeply cynical worldview.
- jackmaney 11y ago
  > I would think the possibility of not being miserable for a third of your life would be more than enough incentive. So, your argument essentially boils down to "tell me what I want to know or I'll make your work life a living hell." Please tell me the name of your employer. I don't ever want to work at the same company as you (or, at the very least, I don't want to be on the same org chart as you).
  - Aloisius 11y ago
    No. No that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that unless you're honest during the interview about what you need out of a job, you'll end up joining companies that will make you miserable because they are fundamentally a bad fit for you.
    - jackmaney 11y ago
      Ah yes, the old "bad fit" chestnut. What employers never mention, however, is that when candidates are foolish enough to open up about what they want, they're often pushed away as "not a good fit for the company/team".
      - Aloisius 11y ago
        Yes, that does happen - especially when it is true.
- fredkbloggs 11y ago
  There's nothing cynical about it. Experienced candidates know what corporations are and how they work, and they know that employment is a business relationship. Its purpose is not to make either side "happy" but to exchange value for value on agreed terms. It is not a family relationship, friendship, or psychologist-patient relationship. In that context, your question to candidates is out of line. Answering it nontrivially helps you but not them; it gives you more leverage, and more opportunities to make promises you cannot or will not keep. Your argument may be that you wouldn't do that, but how is the candidate to know? They don't know you; you just met. The sensible thing to do is to keep one's cards well hidden.

Aloisius 11y ago

I would think the possibility of not being miserable for a third of your life would be more than enough incentive. I suppose though if you're worldview is that you're destined to be nothing but a cog in the meat grinder of humanity, then that must sound like a pipe dream. And frankly, it doesn't sound like it would be possible for one to ever be happy even in a good environment with that kind of deeply cynical worldview.

jackmaney 11y ago
> I would think the possibility of not being miserable for a third of your life would be more than enough incentive. So, your argument essentially boils down to "tell me what I want to know or I'll make your work life a living hell." Please tell me the name of your employer. I don't ever want to work at the same company as you (or, at the very least, I don't want to be on the same org chart as you).
- Aloisius 11y ago
  No. No that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that unless you're honest during the interview about what you need out of a job, you'll end up joining companies that will make you miserable because they are fundamentally a bad fit for you.
  - jackmaney 11y ago
    Ah yes, the old "bad fit" chestnut. What employers never mention, however, is that when candidates are foolish enough to open up about what they want, they're often pushed away as "not a good fit for the company/team".
    - Aloisius 11y ago
      Yes, that does happen - especially when it is true.
fredkbloggs 11y ago
There's nothing cynical about it. Experienced candidates know what corporations are and how they work, and they know that employment is a business relationship. Its purpose is not to make either side "happy" but to exchange value for value on agreed terms. It is not a family relationship, friendship, or psychologist-patient relationship. In that context, your question to candidates is out of line. Answering it nontrivially helps you but not them; it gives you more leverage, and more opportunities to make promises you cannot or will not keep. Your argument may be that you wouldn't do that, but how is the candidate to know? They don't know you; you just met. The sensible thing to do is to keep one's cards well hidden.