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You can download it for free, but the terms and conditions[1] still limit you to "development purposes only". [1]: http://developers.redhat.com/terms-and-condi

by tomku 11y ago

You can download it for free, but the terms and conditions[1] still limit you to "development purposes only". [1]: http://developers.redhat.com/terms-and-conditions/ http://developers.redhat.com/terms-and-conditions/

SloopJon 11y ago
Specifically, "If you use the Red Hat Subscriptions for any other purposes, you are in violation of Red Hat’s Enterprise Agreement set forth below and are required to pay the applicable subscription fees, in addition to any and all other remedies available to Red Hat under applicable law." I think I'll stick to downloading Oracle's version of RHEL.
- feld 11y ago
  Oracle's version isn't much better.
  - SloopJon 11y ago
    I download ISOs from Oracle mirrors that, as far as I know, are encumbered with no such restrictions, although the list of mirrors is on a wiki that is being shut down: https://wikis.oracle.com/display/oraclelinux/Downloading+Oracle+Linux https://wikis.oracle.com/display/oraclelinux/Downloading+Ora...
    - feld 11y ago
      Can you get updates without a subscription? I thought that was the case. Or maybe that's just the Unbreakable kernel now? (includes dtrace and some oracle optimizations) Perhaps I'm remembering from the original release of OEL... I was certain updates were locked down much like RHEL traditionally was (requiring a subscription). At least that's the way Solaris is, too!
      - SloopJon 11y ago
        Didn't see this reply until now. I don't remember whether the repository is configured out of the box, or whether I added one, but I've gotten updates the last couple of times I installed OEL. You may be right about their kernel, but I'm not interested in that. I run OEL because it's a copy of RHEL.
- nailer 11y ago
  You could just get centOS.
fragmede 11y ago
I'm having trouble seeing what this is good for, given those terms. Most software companies, especially those that sell software provide some kind of support, which is expressly prohibited by these terms. While they don't go into detail here, if you buy a software product I created and I give you support via email, is that considered a "support service"? How about if you give me money, and I add some generic feature you really need? Is that considered support? What if you pay me to add custom integration for you? Redhat is infamous for really dumb/horrible policies but that hasn't stopped them from becoming a billion dollar company in the process of being "open". Probably the worst one was, at least at some point, if you didn't renew your support contact, you were actually obligated to uninstall all their software.
- snuxoll 11y ago
  Now you are just obligated to purchase support for ALL of your systems or none at all, you can't run some RHEL systems without updates and others with. Really though, Red Hat products are for enterprises that need the patent indemnity protection or demand commercial support - I work in the healthcare industry and we decided to just go with CentOS instead of Red Hat, but we feel comfortable being on our own to support the systems ourselves.
- derekp7 11y ago
  I think the "support service" is referring to supporting the OS itself. This program gives you access to items that would normally be locked behind a regular support entitlement. They want to make sure that someone doesn't use this access to help another company to bypass the need to purchase their own entitlements for their production servers (by, for example, conveying fixes or information that is on access.redhat.com).
nailer 11y ago
I'm fine with that: it's still OSS, you only pay for Red Hat to compile it and provide you with support. If you don't mind the lack of logos or support centos provides you with the same software. Disclaimer: I worked at Red Hat a decade ago.

by tomku 11y ago

SloopJon 11y ago

Specifically, "If you use the Red Hat Subscriptions for any other purposes, you are in violation of Red Hat’s Enterprise Agreement set forth below and are required to pay the applicable subscription fees, in addition to any and all other remedies available to Red Hat under applicable law." I think I'll stick to downloading Oracle's version of RHEL.

feld 11y ago
Oracle's version isn't much better.
- SloopJon 11y ago
  I download ISOs from Oracle mirrors that, as far as I know, are encumbered with no such restrictions, although the list of mirrors is on a wiki that is being shut down: https://wikis.oracle.com/display/oraclelinux/Downloading+Oracle+Linux https://wikis.oracle.com/display/oraclelinux/Downloading+Ora...
  - feld 11y ago
    Can you get updates without a subscription? I thought that was the case. Or maybe that's just the Unbreakable kernel now? (includes dtrace and some oracle optimizations) Perhaps I'm remembering from the original release of OEL... I was certain updates were locked down much like RHEL traditionally was (requiring a subscription). At least that's the way Solaris is, too!
    - SloopJon 11y ago
      Didn't see this reply until now. I don't remember whether the repository is configured out of the box, or whether I added one, but I've gotten updates the last couple of times I installed OEL. You may be right about their kernel, but I'm not interested in that. I run OEL because it's a copy of RHEL.
nailer 11y ago
You could just get centOS.

fragmede 11y ago

I'm having trouble seeing what this is good for, given those terms. Most software companies, especially those that sell software provide some kind of support, which is expressly prohibited by these terms. While they don't go into detail here, if you buy a software product I created and I give you support via email, is that considered a "support service"? How about if you give me money, and I add some generic feature you really need? Is that considered support? What if you pay me to add custom integration for you? Redhat is infamous for really dumb/horrible policies but that hasn't stopped them from becoming a billion dollar company in the process of being "open". Probably the worst one was, at least at some point, if you didn't renew your support contact, you were actually obligated to uninstall all their software.

snuxoll 11y ago
Now you are just obligated to purchase support for ALL of your systems or none at all, you can't run some RHEL systems without updates and others with. Really though, Red Hat products are for enterprises that need the patent indemnity protection or demand commercial support - I work in the healthcare industry and we decided to just go with CentOS instead of Red Hat, but we feel comfortable being on our own to support the systems ourselves.
derekp7 11y ago
I think the "support service" is referring to supporting the OS itself. This program gives you access to items that would normally be locked behind a regular support entitlement. They want to make sure that someone doesn't use this access to help another company to bypass the need to purchase their own entitlements for their production servers (by, for example, conveying fixes or information that is on access.redhat.com).

nailer 11y ago

I'm fine with that: it's still OSS, you only pay for Red Hat to compile it and provide you with support. If you don't mind the lack of logos or support centos provides you with the same software. Disclaimer: I worked at Red Hat a decade ago.