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Oh noes it's all teh muslamics fault! I don't know how much of an idiot you have to be to fall for this right wing fear mongering bullshit. It's not politicall

Oh noes it's all teh muslamics fault! I don't know how much of an idiot you have to be to fall for this right wing fear mongering bullshit. It's not politically incorrect - it's just incorrect!

alphapapa 11y ago
Let's have a simple quiz: There is a certain group of people in a certain part of the world today that are kidnapping, raping, enslaving, decapitating, immolating, and otherwise mutilating and murdering innocent people. They are attracting followers from around the world. Question: this group is universally comprised of members of which religion? Question: this group has explicitly declared the rest of the world to be its enemy, and declared its intention to destroy those who oppose it. True or false? Scenario: Group A: "We're going to kill you all!" Group B: "Group A intends to kill us all!" Group C: "Group B is spouting fear-mongering bullshit." Question: Which group is lying?
- boothead 11y ago
  Actually it's more like a small subset of Group A intends to kill us all (highly doubtful that they actually have the capability to actually kill us all). Group B is using the undeniable fact that some factions of Group A intend us harm to claim that all of Group A is responsible for all the the worlds evils. (The deleted post claimed that Islam was responsible for all the human trafficking in the world for example). Some members of Group B (the despicable Britain First in the UK) have some completely bonkers beliefs that credulous idiots like the op retransmit without apparently giving them a nano seconds critical thought - e.g. "TEH MUSLAMISTS WANT TO MAKE ARE WATER HALAL" or "TEH AVERAGE MUSLAMIC WOMAN HAS XX CHILDREN - THERE TRYING TO BREED US OUT" (spelling mistakes intentional). So therefore, while I don't disagree the Islam has some serious problems as a religion and an ideology, I reject as bigotry and narrow minded hatred the message that the OP originally posted.
  - alphapapa 11y ago
    First, whenever I see someone intentionally all-capsing and misspelling with "TEH THIS" and "TEH THAT", to me it reeks of childish ridicule. That does not lend the parody any credibility. Satire is one thing, but meme-trolling is another. I don't think anyone is claiming that Group A actually can kill everyone they oppose. The problem is that they want to, and that they are trying to, and that before all is said and done, they will have done so to many innocent people. Also, you are guilty of what you accuse Group B of being guilty of. I don't see anyone in Group B claiming that all of Group A is responsible for "all of the world's evils." If the OP made that claim, then I don't consider him part of Group B. Put him in his own, grossly exaggerating group. No, the Group B I'm talking about is the one simply pointing out the explicit goals and actions of Group A, and its association with a certain religion. The Group B I'm talking about does not claim that all members of that religion are members of Group A. All this "group this" and "group that" is getting a bit tiresome, but on the other hand, I think it's very important to speak precisely when dealing with issues like this. Once you begin lumping people together, generalizing and stereotyping, meaningful communication breaks down, and fighting starts. And fighting is the problem we're trying to solve here. I'm not familiar with Britain First, so I don't know why you call them despicable. But I have read about Muslim gangs which have been getting away with child sex slavery in UK cities since at least 1988. This is documented in major UK and international newspapers. I wish you would also call out those groups as despicable. Note: I didn't say that all Muslims are despicable. Anyone doing those things to children is despicable, regardless of their religion. I don't know what the OP said, since it's hidden. But I would caution you against playing the "bigotry", "narrow-minded", and "hatred" cards. They are too easily used by one side to silence discussion of apparently unpopular opinions. There are bigots on both sides of the issue, but not everyone on one side of it is.
    - boothead 11y ago
      You're right, my meme-trolling was a bit childish. However I have read some of Britain First's facebook pages and the comments there are hateful, vitriolic and most of the time barely literate. I actually agree with most of what you said here. I believe that Islam does have some serious structural problems, along with many other religions. Muslim friends say that indeed the Quran is pretty transparently calling for non-muslim's death, and it seems to be seized upon readily as the raison d'être for many of these terrible groups. As for the asian sex grooming, this is exactly this kind of thing that far right groups jump on. Suddenly it's muslim grooming gangs vs a group of men abusing children. Don't forget that within the Catholic church there has also been widespread abuse that's been covered up by the church. Somehow there isn't a pervasive implication that being Catholic means that you're more likely to be a child abuser. In case there was any doubt, yes grooming children for sex slavery is more despicable than whipping up hatred for an entire religion based on said abuse. I believe the way to counter "lumping people together, generalizing and stereotyping" or othering is precisely to point out the flaws in logic and call it bigotry and hatred when you see it.

Oh noes it's all teh muslamics fault! I don't know how much of an idiot you have to be to fall for this right wing fear mongering bullshit. It's not politically incorrect - it's just incorrect!

alphapapa 11y ago

Let's have a simple quiz: There is a certain group of people in a certain part of the world today that are kidnapping, raping, enslaving, decapitating, immolating, and otherwise mutilating and murdering innocent people. They are attracting followers from around the world. Question: this group is universally comprised of members of which religion? Question: this group has explicitly declared the rest of the world to be its enemy, and declared its intention to destroy those who oppose it. True or false? Scenario: Group A: "We're going to kill you all!" Group B: "Group A intends to kill us all!" Group C: "Group B is spouting fear-mongering bullshit." Question: Which group is lying?

boothead 11y ago
Actually it's more like a small subset of Group A intends to kill us all (highly doubtful that they actually have the capability to actually kill us all). Group B is using the undeniable fact that some factions of Group A intend us harm to claim that all of Group A is responsible for all the the worlds evils. (The deleted post claimed that Islam was responsible for all the human trafficking in the world for example). Some members of Group B (the despicable Britain First in the UK) have some completely bonkers beliefs that credulous idiots like the op retransmit without apparently giving them a nano seconds critical thought - e.g. "TEH MUSLAMISTS WANT TO MAKE ARE WATER HALAL" or "TEH AVERAGE MUSLAMIC WOMAN HAS XX CHILDREN - THERE TRYING TO BREED US OUT" (spelling mistakes intentional). So therefore, while I don't disagree the Islam has some serious problems as a religion and an ideology, I reject as bigotry and narrow minded hatred the message that the OP originally posted.
- alphapapa 11y ago
  First, whenever I see someone intentionally all-capsing and misspelling with "TEH THIS" and "TEH THAT", to me it reeks of childish ridicule. That does not lend the parody any credibility. Satire is one thing, but meme-trolling is another. I don't think anyone is claiming that Group A actually can kill everyone they oppose. The problem is that they want to, and that they are trying to, and that before all is said and done, they will have done so to many innocent people. Also, you are guilty of what you accuse Group B of being guilty of. I don't see anyone in Group B claiming that all of Group A is responsible for "all of the world's evils." If the OP made that claim, then I don't consider him part of Group B. Put him in his own, grossly exaggerating group. No, the Group B I'm talking about is the one simply pointing out the explicit goals and actions of Group A, and its association with a certain religion. The Group B I'm talking about does not claim that all members of that religion are members of Group A. All this "group this" and "group that" is getting a bit tiresome, but on the other hand, I think it's very important to speak precisely when dealing with issues like this. Once you begin lumping people together, generalizing and stereotyping, meaningful communication breaks down, and fighting starts. And fighting is the problem we're trying to solve here. I'm not familiar with Britain First, so I don't know why you call them despicable. But I have read about Muslim gangs which have been getting away with child sex slavery in UK cities since at least 1988. This is documented in major UK and international newspapers. I wish you would also call out those groups as despicable. Note: I didn't say that all Muslims are despicable. Anyone doing those things to children is despicable, regardless of their religion. I don't know what the OP said, since it's hidden. But I would caution you against playing the "bigotry", "narrow-minded", and "hatred" cards. They are too easily used by one side to silence discussion of apparently unpopular opinions. There are bigots on both sides of the issue, but not everyone on one side of it is.
  - boothead 11y ago
    You're right, my meme-trolling was a bit childish. However I have read some of Britain First's facebook pages and the comments there are hateful, vitriolic and most of the time barely literate. I actually agree with most of what you said here. I believe that Islam does have some serious structural problems, along with many other religions. Muslim friends say that indeed the Quran is pretty transparently calling for non-muslim's death, and it seems to be seized upon readily as the raison d'être for many of these terrible groups. As for the asian sex grooming, this is exactly this kind of thing that far right groups jump on. Suddenly it's muslim grooming gangs vs a group of men abusing children. Don't forget that within the Catholic church there has also been widespread abuse that's been covered up by the church. Somehow there isn't a pervasive implication that being Catholic means that you're more likely to be a child abuser. In case there was any doubt, yes grooming children for sex slavery is more despicable than whipping up hatred for an entire religion based on said abuse. I believe the way to counter "lumping people together, generalizing and stereotyping" or othering is precisely to point out the flaws in logic and call it bigotry and hatred when you see it.