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The slow demise of IRC is sad. Clients like WeeChat excel on the text side of things, but where's the knockout web, desktop and mobile client? Something with th

The slow demise of IRC is sad. Clients like WeeChat excel on the text side of things, but where's the knockout web, desktop and mobile client? Something with the UI of Gitter would go far. I always feel like IRC is a few protocol extensions and a few clients away from being relevant again. /me goes back to Freenode

Lazare 11y ago
I think IRCCloud has a UI significantly better than Gitter. (Then again, I'm not a fan of Gitter's UI, at least as far as their desktop OS X client goes...)
jsmthrowaway 11y ago
I'm happy IRC is dying, because it's a giant attack surface. As a hosting provider sysadmin, dealing with IRC servers was among the absolute worst parts of my job -- mitigating DDoS attacks against them, extensive hacking attempts directed at their infrastructure and later, mine, when they couldn't get in, credit card fraud associated with the accounts, IRC networks designed specifically for command and control of botnets and trafficking in child pornography, FBI raids against said networks we hadn't yet discovered... There are exceptions, like OFTC, but merely waltzing into the wrong place on EFnet these days is enough to get 10+ Gbit of UDP traffic directed at your IP address. I used to be fairly okay bouncing on a vhost, but now even the 12-year-olds have enough traffic to knock over a 40 Gbit port channel. An increasing number of datacenters are just filtering 6667. I'm on board with that. Seriously, let IRC relegate itself to the dark corners of the Internet on shitty hosts and stay there, IMO.
- voltagex_ 11y ago
  I wonder if this is an argument against IRC, or just against EFNet.
- pki 11y ago
  From my experience I haven't seen anything like this in the last few years. Botnets are controlled primarily from C&C web services or other SSL/TLS (+encrypted messages) transport via web. The brute force ddos attacks I've seen are on illegal private server emulators and Minecraft et al. Maybe this is just a completely different experience by being in differnt part of internet.
- not_with_retard 11y ago
  > hosting provider sysadmin You should kick them out for repeated DDoS attempts on their IPs, like any sane host does.
- LinuxBender 11y ago
  This does not sound related to IRC at all. It sounds related to a specific network and unintended target audience. This in no way would affect a corporation or organization that decided to use IRC. You can determine on your own IRC who is authorized to connect, make channels, etc.
kzvezdarov 11y ago
The IRCv3 work group is making some good progress: http://ircv3.net/ http://ircv3.net/ .

Lazare 11y ago

I think IRCCloud has a UI significantly better than Gitter. (Then again, I'm not a fan of Gitter's UI, at least as far as their desktop OS X client goes...)

jsmthrowaway 11y ago

I'm happy IRC is dying, because it's a giant attack surface. As a hosting provider sysadmin, dealing with IRC servers was among the absolute worst parts of my job -- mitigating DDoS attacks against them, extensive hacking attempts directed at their infrastructure and later, mine, when they couldn't get in, credit card fraud associated with the accounts, IRC networks designed specifically for command and control of botnets and trafficking in child pornography, FBI raids against said networks we hadn't yet discovered... There are exceptions, like OFTC, but merely waltzing into the wrong place on EFnet these days is enough to get 10+ Gbit of UDP traffic directed at your IP address. I used to be fairly okay bouncing on a vhost, but now even the 12-year-olds have enough traffic to knock over a 40 Gbit port channel. An increasing number of datacenters are just filtering 6667. I'm on board with that. Seriously, let IRC relegate itself to the dark corners of the Internet on shitty hosts and stay there, IMO.

voltagex_ 11y ago
I wonder if this is an argument against IRC, or just against EFNet.
pki 11y ago
From my experience I haven't seen anything like this in the last few years. Botnets are controlled primarily from C&C web services or other SSL/TLS (+encrypted messages) transport via web. The brute force ddos attacks I've seen are on illegal private server emulators and Minecraft et al. Maybe this is just a completely different experience by being in differnt part of internet.
not_with_retard 11y ago
> hosting provider sysadmin You should kick them out for repeated DDoS attempts on their IPs, like any sane host does.
LinuxBender 11y ago
This does not sound related to IRC at all. It sounds related to a specific network and unintended target audience. This in no way would affect a corporation or organization that decided to use IRC. You can determine on your own IRC who is authorized to connect, make channels, etc.

kzvezdarov 11y ago

The IRCv3 work group is making some good progress: http://ircv3.net/ http://ircv3.net/ .