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> Can you explain why that wouldn't be a great deal for app developers? I develop iOS apps, and I'd love it if apple moved to a pay for use model. While it may

by w4 11y ago

> Can you explain why that wouldn't be a great deal for app developers? I develop iOS apps, and I'd love it if apple moved to a pay for use model. While it may be the case that pay-per-use would be a great model for developers (though I'm highly dubious that this is the case for anyone that isn't making a trivial $0.99 app), that isn't the main thrust of my hypothetical. The problem with this scenario is the loss of a full quarter of revenue from every new App Store user in the interest of Apple acquiring subscribers. Do you think it would be a great deal for app developers to not be paid for three months of every single App Store user's usage?

gress 11y ago
Pay-per-use would be far better for developers making deep apps that people actually use regularly than those making trivial 99c apps that are discarded quickly. Currently, an app like Omnioutliner or Clear that improves a person's productivity over years and is used 100-1000x as much as a 99c joke app can only command a 10x higher price and is then impeded by people being reluctant to pay so much up front. But... to address your main point - yes absolutely, I'd happily give up a quarter of revenue to move to such a scheme, where my recurring revenue would be much higher because my apps are actually used by people and have a lower barrier for new users. It would be a mutually beneficial chance for developers, apple, and consumers. However - I do grant that developers are more likely to be able to finance this transition than musicians. Since nobody is paying for the music during the trial, and the intended result is higher revenues for the artists (and for Apple, but notably proportionally more for the artists), it is flatly disingenuous for the artists to position Apple as getting all the benefit. What if Apple offered the artists an advance covering the 3 months based on current iTunes revenues, and then recouped this over three years by taking a higher percentage for that period from the artists who opted for it? That would solve the problem of the 3 month gap.
- nmesse 11y ago
  I disagree. The truth is, some of my most used apps are the least important and/or cheapest. This is why, if we went with a pay by usage app store plan, the true winners would be the addictive, least useful apps. I use the Spotify app 24/7, yet I use Editorial and Pythonista (both costing around $7), an app I value to a much greater degree, sometimes just -8h daily. And the truth is, while OmniOutliner is so much usefuler than say Pinterest, people spend a lot more time on Pinterest. Don't get me wrong, I do see why the losers are probably the 99¢ apps, after all, you probably do not use those on a concurrent basis. Yet, if we go by the hourly usage, people use social networks like Pinterest and Facebook, games like Temple Run, and music services, to a much greater degree overall.
  - gress 11y ago
    Sure but that's easily fixed by stipulating that ad supported services are not eligible for the payout.
    - nmesse 11y ago
      Aha, but of course, these services and time wasters will just adapt to have no ads. Essentially, I fear that all apps will take the approach of being excellent time wasters or services (because that's what they're being paid for), and killing all the truly great apps that that have around 20 people using them, yet cost around $7. And are not as addictive as these time wasters. Some apps try to minimize the time spent in their apps (a losing strategy in this new economy) because people pay them for a fast, frictionless service (think Drafts), but put less time into them than a browser or addictive game.

by w4 11y ago

gress 11y ago

Pay-per-use would be far better for developers making deep apps that people actually use regularly than those making trivial 99c apps that are discarded quickly. Currently, an app like Omnioutliner or Clear that improves a person's productivity over years and is used 100-1000x as much as a 99c joke app can only command a 10x higher price and is then impeded by people being reluctant to pay so much up front. But... to address your main point - yes absolutely, I'd happily give up a quarter of revenue to move to such a scheme, where my recurring revenue would be much higher because my apps are actually used by people and have a lower barrier for new users. It would be a mutually beneficial chance for developers, apple, and consumers. However - I do grant that developers are more likely to be able to finance this transition than musicians. Since nobody is paying for the music during the trial, and the intended result is higher revenues for the artists (and for Apple, but notably proportionally more for the artists), it is flatly disingenuous for the artists to position Apple as getting all the benefit. What if Apple offered the artists an advance covering the 3 months based on current iTunes revenues, and then recouped this over three years by taking a higher percentage for that period from the artists who opted for it? That would solve the problem of the 3 month gap.

nmesse 11y ago
I disagree. The truth is, some of my most used apps are the least important and/or cheapest. This is why, if we went with a pay by usage app store plan, the true winners would be the addictive, least useful apps. I use the Spotify app 24/7, yet I use Editorial and Pythonista (both costing around $7), an app I value to a much greater degree, sometimes just -8h daily. And the truth is, while OmniOutliner is so much usefuler than say Pinterest, people spend a lot more time on Pinterest. Don't get me wrong, I do see why the losers are probably the 99¢ apps, after all, you probably do not use those on a concurrent basis. Yet, if we go by the hourly usage, people use social networks like Pinterest and Facebook, games like Temple Run, and music services, to a much greater degree overall.
- gress 11y ago
  Sure but that's easily fixed by stipulating that ad supported services are not eligible for the payout.
  - nmesse 11y ago
    Aha, but of course, these services and time wasters will just adapt to have no ads. Essentially, I fear that all apps will take the approach of being excellent time wasters or services (because that's what they're being paid for), and killing all the truly great apps that that have around 20 people using them, yet cost around $7. And are not as addictive as these time wasters. Some apps try to minimize the time spent in their apps (a losing strategy in this new economy) because people pay them for a fast, frictionless service (think Drafts), but put less time into them than a browser or addictive game.