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Most software engineers (employees) are paid for crafting their software, not for having crafted in the past. That's exactly what I advocate for. We absolutely

by Fargren 11y ago

Most software engineers (employees) are paid for crafting their software, not for having crafted in the past. That's exactly what I advocate for. We absolutely should pay people for working! I'm saying that those who distribute should be compensated for the distribution, and those who craft should be compensated for the crafting. And everyone should be free to do either, to the best of their abilities.

themartorana 11y ago
This is not true at all. Many consultants may in fact be paid once. But most developers work at companies for a salary. That salary is paid for by charging for software over and over. Without being able to charge multiple times for the same piece of software, there would be no Microsoft, IBM, or Oracle, no SaaS, and no App Store, just to name a few, and none of the jobs that come along.
- Fargren 11y ago
  But if they stop working, they are not paid anymore. They are effectively compensated for the act of working, not for some ownership over the work they've done.
- zxcvcxz 11y ago
  You're being deceptive, Fargren is on point. Once the dev leaves the company they no longer make that salary. Artists typically get paid some kind of royalty and don't give up full ownership of their work. >Without being able to charge multiple times for the same piece of software, there would be no Microsoft, IBM, or Oracle, no SaaS, and no App Store Good riddance.
  - themartorana 11y ago
    You're being deceptive That's not very nice. Who do you think owns SaaS businesses, or App Store apps, or downloadable software, etc.? I own a software company. If I couldn't resell my software over and over, I'd be homeless. If it couldn't sell software over and over, I'd have to fire all my employees (dev, customer support, marketing...) and shutter my business. Do you think artists don't have employees? Is their music not their business? There's no difference between me owning software or an artist owning music. Also, the companies you're saying "good riddance" to defined the world of selling software as a business and as a profession. You may think we'd be fine without them now, but not acknowledging the role they played is disingenuous at best - not to mention the literally hundreds of thousands of jobs they've created directly or indirectly.
    - Fargren 11y ago
      If I couldn't resell my software over and over, I'd be homeless. I don't think you are being deceptive, but I suspect you are being facetious (hard tot ell in the internet). If you lived in a world where you couldn't resell your software, you'd have a different job that didn't depend on that. I imagine the people you provide value to would probably be willing to fund the development of the products they use. That is effectively what they are doing now, but they do it in a roundabout manner. If not all of them would(and there are game-theoretic reason why they probably shouldn't) maybe the ones that would could pay more, or maybe your product just wasn't worth so much to begin with (please don't take this as an affront to your product, I don't even know what it is). Different property models lead to different viable businesses. I am saying I don't like the current model because it forbids certain endeavors I would love to see, and that we had before. Of course it would be harmful to some business plans that currently work. I just prefer the alternative.

by Fargren 11y ago

themartorana 11y ago

This is not true at all. Many consultants may in fact be paid once. But most developers work at companies for a salary. That salary is paid for by charging for software over and over. Without being able to charge multiple times for the same piece of software, there would be no Microsoft, IBM, or Oracle, no SaaS, and no App Store, just to name a few, and none of the jobs that come along.

Fargren 11y ago
But if they stop working, they are not paid anymore. They are effectively compensated for the act of working, not for some ownership over the work they've done.
zxcvcxz 11y ago
You're being deceptive, Fargren is on point. Once the dev leaves the company they no longer make that salary. Artists typically get paid some kind of royalty and don't give up full ownership of their work. >Without being able to charge multiple times for the same piece of software, there would be no Microsoft, IBM, or Oracle, no SaaS, and no App Store Good riddance.
- themartorana 11y ago
  You're being deceptive That's not very nice. Who do you think owns SaaS businesses, or App Store apps, or downloadable software, etc.? I own a software company. If I couldn't resell my software over and over, I'd be homeless. If it couldn't sell software over and over, I'd have to fire all my employees (dev, customer support, marketing...) and shutter my business. Do you think artists don't have employees? Is their music not their business? There's no difference between me owning software or an artist owning music. Also, the companies you're saying "good riddance" to defined the world of selling software as a business and as a profession. You may think we'd be fine without them now, but not acknowledging the role they played is disingenuous at best - not to mention the literally hundreds of thousands of jobs they've created directly or indirectly.
  - Fargren 11y ago
    If I couldn't resell my software over and over, I'd be homeless. I don't think you are being deceptive, but I suspect you are being facetious (hard tot ell in the internet). If you lived in a world where you couldn't resell your software, you'd have a different job that didn't depend on that. I imagine the people you provide value to would probably be willing to fund the development of the products they use. That is effectively what they are doing now, but they do it in a roundabout manner. If not all of them would(and there are game-theoretic reason why they probably shouldn't) maybe the ones that would could pay more, or maybe your product just wasn't worth so much to begin with (please don't take this as an affront to your product, I don't even know what it is). Different property models lead to different viable businesses. I am saying I don't like the current model because it forbids certain endeavors I would love to see, and that we had before. Of course it would be harmful to some business plans that currently work. I just prefer the alternative.