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I like how she states her position so concisely in the last two lines: We don’t ask you for free iPhones. Please don’t ask us to provide you with our music for

by japhyr 11y ago

I like how she states her position so concisely in the last two lines: We don’t ask you for free iPhones. Please don’t ask us to provide you with our music for no compensation.

biturd 11y ago
They gove away their OS and a ton of solid near business class apps in some cases. They do this to get people to buy hardware. She said she supports herself on tours, five more music away, you should get more people at her tours. Same for the new band, you don't get discovered on the radio, 5K and they will play your song, it's that easy. Never works. Play shows for 5 - 10 years, you may make it, or be coached and molded like Taylor, that Canadian Kid, and the ret of them.
- spinchange 11y ago
  Can I use their OS or apps on anything I don't buy from them first? Apple doesn't "give away" anything for free.
  - donarb 11y ago
    Sure, go to eBay or Craigslist and buy a used Mac. Then go to apple.com and download their latest OS for free. Can't do that with a PC/Windows.
    - apricot 11y ago
      Windows updates (from 7 or 8 to 10) will be free, too, according to Microsoft.
fauigerzigerk 11y ago
It's the weakest part of her argument though as iPhones have a unit cost whereas digital copies of her music do not. But I think she is very right to refuse to pay for a scheme that is supposed to increase Apple's market share and not hers.
- WorldWideWayne 11y ago
  OK, give us iPhones for what it costs Apple to roll them off the factory floor please and thank you! (That's more than 50% off retail.)
  - Caprinicus 11y ago
    Companies very often do sell products at or above cost when a line begins in order to gain market share, while the price to build them goes down over time and they become profitable. She has most certainly taken advantage of this at some point, without knowing it.
- coldtea 11y ago
  >It's the weakest part of her argument though as iPhones have a unit cost whereas digital copies of her music do not. The most basic cost you have to recoup is that of making the song (studio, musicians, production, what you charge for your voice etc). This remains real money, even if you can make a digital copy of a song for free. Besides this is based on a "physical product" model of economics and tries to apply it to digital goods. It doesn't relate that well. In an era when tons of people works in stuff that can be "copied for free", there are other models that should be applied (e.g. that you should still pay for the free-to-produce copy).
  - fauigerzigerk 11y ago
    >The most basic cost you have to recoup is that of making the song (studio, musicians, production, what you charge for your voice etc). This remains real money, even if you can make a digital copy of a song for free. Absolutely, but that is fixed cost not unit cost. Not recouping fixed costs is bad. But losing money on top of that for every unit you give away is even worse. The distinction matters just as much as in the past because our economies have not just become more digital, they are also more service oriented than before, and services often do have unit costs. A better analogy to giving away iPhones would be to play a live gig for free.
    - 11y ago
jsz0 11y ago
Carriers who choose to offer 'free' iPhones are doing it for basically the same reason as the labels accepted this deal with Apple. They're willing to take a short term loss / risk in exchange for years of revenue from subscriptions.
chjohasbrouck 11y ago
I found it a little off-putting, because Apple does provide free iPhones to celebrities. They're included in gift bags and freebie tents at most of the events they attend, or often just mailed to them directly free of charge, or sent with a check in exchange for a tweet, etc. Taylor Swift has probably personally received more than a dozen free iPhones. Even lesser-known celebrities receive multiple copies of all the latest electronics, and just regift them because they have so many. When she wanted to upgrade to the 6, she most likely did not go to the store and pay for it. Celebrities that big just receive free stuff shipped to their front door all the time. TVs, electronics, clothes, jewelry, luxury brands.

by japhyr 11y ago

I like how she states her position so concisely in the last two lines: We don’t ask you for free iPhones. Please don’t ask us to provide you with our music for no compensation.

biturd 11y ago

They gove away their OS and a ton of solid near business class apps in some cases. They do this to get people to buy hardware. She said she supports herself on tours, five more music away, you should get more people at her tours. Same for the new band, you don't get discovered on the radio, 5K and they will play your song, it's that easy. Never works. Play shows for 5 - 10 years, you may make it, or be coached and molded like Taylor, that Canadian Kid, and the ret of them.

spinchange 11y ago
Can I use their OS or apps on anything I don't buy from them first? Apple doesn't "give away" anything for free.
- donarb 11y ago
  Sure, go to eBay or Craigslist and buy a used Mac. Then go to apple.com and download their latest OS for free. Can't do that with a PC/Windows.
  - apricot 11y ago
    Windows updates (from 7 or 8 to 10) will be free, too, according to Microsoft.

fauigerzigerk 11y ago

It's the weakest part of her argument though as iPhones have a unit cost whereas digital copies of her music do not. But I think she is very right to refuse to pay for a scheme that is supposed to increase Apple's market share and not hers.

WorldWideWayne 11y ago
OK, give us iPhones for what it costs Apple to roll them off the factory floor please and thank you! (That's more than 50% off retail.)
- Caprinicus 11y ago
  Companies very often do sell products at or above cost when a line begins in order to gain market share, while the price to build them goes down over time and they become profitable. She has most certainly taken advantage of this at some point, without knowing it.
coldtea 11y ago
>It's the weakest part of her argument though as iPhones have a unit cost whereas digital copies of her music do not. The most basic cost you have to recoup is that of making the song (studio, musicians, production, what you charge for your voice etc). This remains real money, even if you can make a digital copy of a song for free. Besides this is based on a "physical product" model of economics and tries to apply it to digital goods. It doesn't relate that well. In an era when tons of people works in stuff that can be "copied for free", there are other models that should be applied (e.g. that you should still pay for the free-to-produce copy).
- fauigerzigerk 11y ago
  >The most basic cost you have to recoup is that of making the song (studio, musicians, production, what you charge for your voice etc). This remains real money, even if you can make a digital copy of a song for free. Absolutely, but that is fixed cost not unit cost. Not recouping fixed costs is bad. But losing money on top of that for every unit you give away is even worse. The distinction matters just as much as in the past because our economies have not just become more digital, they are also more service oriented than before, and services often do have unit costs. A better analogy to giving away iPhones would be to play a live gig for free.
  - 11y ago

jsz0 11y ago

Carriers who choose to offer 'free' iPhones are doing it for basically the same reason as the labels accepted this deal with Apple. They're willing to take a short term loss / risk in exchange for years of revenue from subscriptions.

chjohasbrouck 11y ago

I found it a little off-putting, because Apple does provide free iPhones to celebrities. They're included in gift bags and freebie tents at most of the events they attend, or often just mailed to them directly free of charge, or sent with a check in exchange for a tweet, etc. Taylor Swift has probably personally received more than a dozen free iPhones. Even lesser-known celebrities receive multiple copies of all the latest electronics, and just regift them because they have so many. When she wanted to upgrade to the 6, she most likely did not go to the store and pay for it. Celebrities that big just receive free stuff shipped to their front door all the time. TVs, electronics, clothes, jewelry, luxury brands.