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> Three months is a long time to go unpaid, and it is unfair to ask anyone to work for nothing. It is safe to assume that max. 10% of the subscribers will be i

by sauere 11y ago

> Three months is a long time to go unpaid, and it is unfair to ask anyone to work for nothing. It is safe to assume that max. 10% of the subscribers will be in this 3 month trial. You will make money from the other 90%. Also, just a little industry insight: Taylor makes $1.5m+ at each concert, plus travel, hotel, technical rider. I have a very hard time understanding all this cry baby talk.

paukiatwee 11y ago
> This is about the new artist or band that has just released their first single and will not be paid for its success. Did you read the whole article?
- sauere 11y ago
  Yes. That point simply is not valid. As i said, that new artist will be losing 10% at max.
  - k-mcgrady 11y ago
    And when you're making very, very little money, that 10% could be very important.
zymhan 11y ago
You have any data to support that? And if that's true, then Apple should be taking the hit up front, not the artists. Your last point is just irrelevant and unnecessary.
- sauere 11y ago
  I worked in the live music industry and have a pretty good idea of these numbers. But you can just google up some leaked booking agreements (The Smoking Gun has some pdfs). Yes, obviously a lot of people must be paid from that fee (crew, management, band...), but it is still shitload of cash.
  - sanswork 11y ago
    What did you do? Because it seems like you're pretty dramatically underestimating the cost of a stadium tour and confusing costs for a tour with payments for private bookings(separating travel expenses for example which would come from the artist on a tour).
thefreeman 11y ago
So you obviously didn't read TFA then. Like the second or third sentence in clearly states that she is not doing this for herself but for all of the smaller artists who don't have the power to make a stand like this.
sanswork 11y ago
If you made it to that line you already read her explanation of that and her saying that she makes enough from live performances. That money pays a lot of other peoples salaries too. It takes a large staff to put on a tour for a performer of her size.
alistairSH 11y ago
So, because she's successful, she should roll over and forgo one of her income steams? If she truly believes this Apple deal will hurt her bottom line, or the bottom line of other content creators, she has a legitimate complaint.

by sauere 11y ago

paukiatwee 11y ago

> This is about the new artist or band that has just released their first single and will not be paid for its success. Did you read the whole article?

sauere 11y ago
Yes. That point simply is not valid. As i said, that new artist will be losing 10% at max.
- k-mcgrady 11y ago
  And when you're making very, very little money, that 10% could be very important.

zymhan 11y ago

You have any data to support that? And if that's true, then Apple should be taking the hit up front, not the artists. Your last point is just irrelevant and unnecessary.

sauere 11y ago
I worked in the live music industry and have a pretty good idea of these numbers. But you can just google up some leaked booking agreements (The Smoking Gun has some pdfs). Yes, obviously a lot of people must be paid from that fee (crew, management, band...), but it is still shitload of cash.
- sanswork 11y ago
  What did you do? Because it seems like you're pretty dramatically underestimating the cost of a stadium tour and confusing costs for a tour with payments for private bookings(separating travel expenses for example which would come from the artist on a tour).

thefreeman 11y ago

So you obviously didn't read TFA then. Like the second or third sentence in clearly states that she is not doing this for herself but for all of the smaller artists who don't have the power to make a stand like this.

sanswork 11y ago

If you made it to that line you already read her explanation of that and her saying that she makes enough from live performances. That money pays a lot of other peoples salaries too. It takes a large staff to put on a tour for a performer of her size.

alistairSH 11y ago

So, because she's successful, she should roll over and forgo one of her income steams? If she truly believes this Apple deal will hurt her bottom line, or the bottom line of other content creators, she has a legitimate complaint.