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It feels a bit selfish to do the minimum you can at a job because you too afraid to actually try for something you enjoy. Of course, if what you enjoy is doing

by tensor 11y ago

It feels a bit selfish to do the minimum you can at a job because you too afraid to actually try for something you enjoy. Of course, if what you enjoy is doing nothing, then I guess I don't have much sympathy. But if you are passionate about making a change in the world, or even just doing an amazing job at one small thing you love, then you are in the right place. Be in the right place. Don't treat others and yourself poorly by being in a job you hate.

rifung 11y ago
Who was asking for your sympathy?
aaronbrethorst 11y ago
It feels a bit selfish to do the minimum you can at a job because you too afraid to actually try for something you enjoy. Maybe I have other things outside of work that are far more important to me than trying to ensure that the company that I'll have a 0.025% equity stake in in four years becomes the next unicorn. Honestly: why should I care about my founder/CEO becoming a multi-millionaire? What's in it for me?
- tdkl 11y ago
  Job/income stability ?
  - yummybear 11y ago
    What makes you think your CEO's income is a guarantee for job security?
  - UK-AL 11y ago
    There are a lot better ways of ensuring that that than working yourself silly. Ensuring you have significant savings, skills, connections, being prepared to switch jobs, and being good at negotiations will result in far better results. All of which require time outside of work. Theres nothing wrong fullfilling your agreed work hours, with a reasonable expected work amout and spending time with family.
- mcintyre1994 11y ago
  I think this is where the mission driven bit comes in. If you don't care what the company is doing and their only mission seems to be to make the founders really rich then they've probably screwed up.
  - sopooneo 11y ago
    If knowledge that you're changing the world is making up for inequitable financial compensation, I'd say you as a worker have screwed up.
    - amirmc 11y ago
      I find that view to be a little harsh. It demeans all those people who choose to work for organisations that can't/don't generally pay as much but are driven by other purposes (eg NGOs).
      - mordrax 11y ago
        Well said. I've volunteered regularly prior to having kids because I was truly giving back to society. At some point, having more money loses it's meaning.
      - sopooneo 11y ago
        You bring up a valid point. I should have stipulated that I only feel this way about normal for-profit businesses. But I think I covered myself a little with "inequitable" if we take that to mean compared to others at their organization. I greatly respect people that work for less than they might in the case of non-profits.
- luch 11y ago
  Having the satisfaction of doing a good job ? Not everyone is working simply in order to become richer, there are some which also wants to have a meaningful impact on society. I like when my clients says the tools I've developped are extremely useful to them, and sometimes it means sticking my neck out and not doing the bare minimum.
- tensor 11y ago
  This has nothing to do with founders making or not making money. It's simple matter of respect for the people you do business with. Consider a simple example of someone hiring you to build them a wall around their garden. Sure, you could take their money and do the worst possible job you can. Do you think this is a good idea? The owner ends up with a crappy wall and you end up with a bad reputation. Everyone has things outside of work, like family, that are more important than work. That's not justification for doing the minimum you can do.
- balls187 11y ago
  > Maybe I have other things outside of work that are far more important to me than trying to ensure that the company that I'll have a 0.025% equity stake in in four years becomes the next unicorn Sadly, you're not that important to the success of the company. You can quit tomorrow and they would find a replacement in due time and continue on. Also, it's highly unlikely that the founder and CEO is going to end up a multimillionaire even if you were a high performing software engineer. > What's in it for me? How about not wasting your life? I mean dude, you're spending at least 40 hours a week working. Why not find something you love doing?
  - aaronbrethorst 11y ago
    How about not wasting your life? I mean dude, you're spending at least 40 hours a week working. Why not find something you love doing? I do. But I enjoy what I do outside of work much, much more than I do offering my employer unpaid overtime. So, I make those 40 hours count. I work extremely hard, and then I'm done. Sure, there's the occasional night or weekend that I'll work; I'm not going to leave my project in jeopardy, or my coworkers in a lurch...But, I don't owe my employer anything more than they owe me.
johnchristopher 11y ago
> But if you are passionate about making a change in the world For most, a job is about surviving in this world.

by tensor 11y ago

rifung 11y ago

Who was asking for your sympathy?

aaronbrethorst 11y ago

It feels a bit selfish to do the minimum you can at a job because you too afraid to actually try for something you enjoy. Maybe I have other things outside of work that are far more important to me than trying to ensure that the company that I'll have a 0.025% equity stake in in four years becomes the next unicorn. Honestly: why should I care about my founder/CEO becoming a multi-millionaire? What's in it for me?

tdkl 11y ago
Job/income stability ?
- yummybear 11y ago
  What makes you think your CEO's income is a guarantee for job security?
- UK-AL 11y ago
  There are a lot better ways of ensuring that that than working yourself silly. Ensuring you have significant savings, skills, connections, being prepared to switch jobs, and being good at negotiations will result in far better results. All of which require time outside of work. Theres nothing wrong fullfilling your agreed work hours, with a reasonable expected work amout and spending time with family.
mcintyre1994 11y ago
I think this is where the mission driven bit comes in. If you don't care what the company is doing and their only mission seems to be to make the founders really rich then they've probably screwed up.
- sopooneo 11y ago
  If knowledge that you're changing the world is making up for inequitable financial compensation, I'd say you as a worker have screwed up.
  - amirmc 11y ago
    I find that view to be a little harsh. It demeans all those people who choose to work for organisations that can't/don't generally pay as much but are driven by other purposes (eg NGOs).
    - mordrax 11y ago
      Well said. I've volunteered regularly prior to having kids because I was truly giving back to society. At some point, having more money loses it's meaning.
    - sopooneo 11y ago
      You bring up a valid point. I should have stipulated that I only feel this way about normal for-profit businesses. But I think I covered myself a little with "inequitable" if we take that to mean compared to others at their organization. I greatly respect people that work for less than they might in the case of non-profits.
luch 11y ago
Having the satisfaction of doing a good job ? Not everyone is working simply in order to become richer, there are some which also wants to have a meaningful impact on society. I like when my clients says the tools I've developped are extremely useful to them, and sometimes it means sticking my neck out and not doing the bare minimum.
tensor 11y ago
This has nothing to do with founders making or not making money. It's simple matter of respect for the people you do business with. Consider a simple example of someone hiring you to build them a wall around their garden. Sure, you could take their money and do the worst possible job you can. Do you think this is a good idea? The owner ends up with a crappy wall and you end up with a bad reputation. Everyone has things outside of work, like family, that are more important than work. That's not justification for doing the minimum you can do.
balls187 11y ago
> Maybe I have other things outside of work that are far more important to me than trying to ensure that the company that I'll have a 0.025% equity stake in in four years becomes the next unicorn Sadly, you're not that important to the success of the company. You can quit tomorrow and they would find a replacement in due time and continue on. Also, it's highly unlikely that the founder and CEO is going to end up a multimillionaire even if you were a high performing software engineer. > What's in it for me? How about not wasting your life? I mean dude, you're spending at least 40 hours a week working. Why not find something you love doing?
- aaronbrethorst 11y ago
  How about not wasting your life? I mean dude, you're spending at least 40 hours a week working. Why not find something you love doing? I do. But I enjoy what I do outside of work much, much more than I do offering my employer unpaid overtime. So, I make those 40 hours count. I work extremely hard, and then I'm done. Sure, there's the occasional night or weekend that I'll work; I'm not going to leave my project in jeopardy, or my coworkers in a lurch...But, I don't owe my employer anything more than they owe me.

johnchristopher 11y ago

> But if you are passionate about making a change in the world For most, a job is about surviving in this world.