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> push back against government requests should be rephrased to: > push back against this government request We don't know if Google fights these by default o

> push back against government requests should be rephrased to: > push back against this government request We don't know if Google fights these by default or if this was the exception. Until we know further, we shouldn't assume either way.

deelowe 11y ago
There's more than one instance where examples have come up: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/googlers-say-f-you-to-nsa-company-encrypts-internal-network/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/google...
- WalterGR 11y ago
  His point is still correct. "The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.'"
  - notduncansmith 11y ago
    Do you have a source for this quote? Google didn't turn up anything meaningful but I'd like to give proper attribution when I hang it on my wall.
    - uxp 11y ago
      The attribution is arguably to Raymond Wolfinger who actually said the opposite, "The plural of anecdote is data", supposedly at a seminar at Stanford in the 60's or 70's. It also could be attributed to Roger Brinner, who said it to congress while testifying in 2012. I'd argue that it belongs unattributed, since it makes logical sense and no one ever attributes the phrase "the sky is blue" to anyone either. http://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2011/04/the-plural-of-anecdote-is-data-after-all.html http://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2011/04/the-plural-of-an... http://freakonomics.com/2010/04/29/quotes-uncovered-whats-the-plural-of-anecdote/ http://freakonomics.com/2010/04/29/quotes-uncovered-whats-th... http://www.c-span.org/video/?307248-1/lessons-president-calvin-coolidge-president-obama http://www.c-span.org/video/?307248-1/lessons-president-calv...
- caseysoftware 11y ago
  (thread resurrection!) According to Mother Jones in 2013[1], Google hands over the data roughly 89% of the time. I think it's fair to say that when they fought it this time, it was an exception. [1] http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/google-microsoft-twitter-facebook-user-data-fisa-charts http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/google-microsoft...

deelowe 11y ago

There's more than one instance where examples have come up: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/googlers-say-f-you-to-nsa-company-encrypts-internal-network/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/google...

WalterGR 11y ago
His point is still correct. "The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.'"
- notduncansmith 11y ago
  Do you have a source for this quote? Google didn't turn up anything meaningful but I'd like to give proper attribution when I hang it on my wall.
  - uxp 11y ago
    The attribution is arguably to Raymond Wolfinger who actually said the opposite, "The plural of anecdote is data", supposedly at a seminar at Stanford in the 60's or 70's. It also could be attributed to Roger Brinner, who said it to congress while testifying in 2012. I'd argue that it belongs unattributed, since it makes logical sense and no one ever attributes the phrase "the sky is blue" to anyone either. http://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2011/04/the-plural-of-anecdote-is-data-after-all.html http://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2011/04/the-plural-of-an... http://freakonomics.com/2010/04/29/quotes-uncovered-whats-the-plural-of-anecdote/ http://freakonomics.com/2010/04/29/quotes-uncovered-whats-th... http://www.c-span.org/video/?307248-1/lessons-president-calvin-coolidge-president-obama http://www.c-span.org/video/?307248-1/lessons-president-calv...
caseysoftware 11y ago
(thread resurrection!) According to Mother Jones in 2013[1], Google hands over the data roughly 89% of the time. I think it's fair to say that when they fought it this time, it was an exception. [1] http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/google-microsoft-twitter-facebook-user-data-fisa-charts http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/google-microsoft...