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More data mining by google under the guise of global awesomeness. The point most people miss is that all of your habits and information are under one roof and

by Subgun 17y ago

More data mining by google under the guise of global awesomeness. The point most people miss is that all of your habits and information are under one roof and only need one subpoena to get your entire electronic life on DVD. This just adds to what they already know about your searching, emailing , communicating and spending.

conover 17y ago
We don't correlate or combine your information from these logs with any other log data that Google might have about your use of other services, such as data from Web Search and data from advertising on the Google content network. After keeping this data for two weeks, we randomly sample a small subset for permanent storage. It sounds like a good faith effort aimed at speeding things up to me.
- lsb 17y ago
  Just to be fair, 25% is a small subset, and if all the chrome installations use it as their default DNS, they'd have quite a lot of data.
  - kluikens 17y ago
    I agree, but said data would be a sample from a user base that is far from the general user base of the internet, and Google's user base too. Data from Chrome browsers only would be heavily skewed.
wgj 17y ago
The Google product manager responded to TechCrunch saying "no blocking, hijacking, or filtering" and responded on privacy with "Collected data includes IP address (up to 48 hours, to detect malicious behavior against the service), ISP information and geographic information (2 weeks each). The data is not correlated with your Google account in any way." http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/03/google-dns-opendns/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/03/google-dns-opendns/
- storborg 17y ago
  It may not be correlated, but that doesn't mean that Google isn't getting a ton of commercial benefit from this data. It's like having your own Alexa/Quantcast, but in realtime, and with much better granularity.
  - wgj 17y ago
    I agree. I also think it's fair for the provider of a public service to derive some benefit from running it. The obvious questions are: Is it ethical? Is it honest? (Google phrases it as "Don't be evil.") In this case, if they are providing an alternative to filtering and hijacking, I see that as a really important step forward. The fact that a lot of people expected those behaviors shows just how bad the situation with DNS really is these days.
    - orblivion 17y ago
      Furthermore, they tend to open source a lot of their stuff, so they don't have to be the only way to Chat, Wave, Browse, and probably eventually DNS.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 17y ago
    And an even more biased population :/
nuggien 17y ago
Yea, because your ISP totally wouldn't do the same thing.
- Subgun 17y ago
  No it wouldn't since I use my own DNS. Even if I did not it would not produce the same amount of data in one fell swoop.
- Tichy 17y ago
  I suppose the ISP can do that anyway, no matter what you do. Even if you use Google DNS, your ISP can still know where you surf to.

by Subgun 17y ago

conover 17y ago

We don't correlate or combine your information from these logs with any other log data that Google might have about your use of other services, such as data from Web Search and data from advertising on the Google content network. After keeping this data for two weeks, we randomly sample a small subset for permanent storage. It sounds like a good faith effort aimed at speeding things up to me.

lsb 17y ago
Just to be fair, 25% is a small subset, and if all the chrome installations use it as their default DNS, they'd have quite a lot of data.
- kluikens 17y ago
  I agree, but said data would be a sample from a user base that is far from the general user base of the internet, and Google's user base too. Data from Chrome browsers only would be heavily skewed.

wgj 17y ago

The Google product manager responded to TechCrunch saying "no blocking, hijacking, or filtering" and responded on privacy with "Collected data includes IP address (up to 48 hours, to detect malicious behavior against the service), ISP information and geographic information (2 weeks each). The data is not correlated with your Google account in any way." http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/03/google-dns-opendns/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/03/google-dns-opendns/

storborg 17y ago
It may not be correlated, but that doesn't mean that Google isn't getting a ton of commercial benefit from this data. It's like having your own Alexa/Quantcast, but in realtime, and with much better granularity.
- wgj 17y ago
  I agree. I also think it's fair for the provider of a public service to derive some benefit from running it. The obvious questions are: Is it ethical? Is it honest? (Google phrases it as "Don't be evil.") In this case, if they are providing an alternative to filtering and hijacking, I see that as a really important step forward. The fact that a lot of people expected those behaviors shows just how bad the situation with DNS really is these days.
  - orblivion 17y ago
    Furthermore, they tend to open source a lot of their stuff, so they don't have to be the only way to Chat, Wave, Browse, and probably eventually DNS.
- jasonwatkinspdx 17y ago
  And an even more biased population :/

nuggien 17y ago

Yea, because your ISP totally wouldn't do the same thing.

Subgun 17y ago
No it wouldn't since I use my own DNS. Even if I did not it would not produce the same amount of data in one fell swoop.
Tichy 17y ago
I suppose the ISP can do that anyway, no matter what you do. Even if you use Google DNS, your ISP can still know where you surf to.