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The user should never be given control. Users are terrible at determining their own experience. A good designer knows what the user wants better than the user.

The user should never be given control. Users are terrible at determining their own experience. A good designer knows what the user wants better than the user. Of course, there are bad designers, but they get filtered out by users not going back to their site. In the end, the designer should have control over every pixel on his product. Any OS branding should disappear from view, because the web advances faster than OS UI design. Also, this problem was the same back in the 90's. There was the default terrible OS user interface, and some apps decided to make their own much nicer interface. Kai Power Tools immediately comes to mind, as well as any game with their own UI.

nfoz 11y ago
> The user should never be given control. > the designer should have control over every pixel on his product. That's why I can't increase the font sizes or zoom in on mobile browsing, to aid my poor eyesight. Sigh. Why should USERS never have control, but you give bad designers a free pass? That's an awfully totalitarian view of computing, and leads to many unbearable situations. > Of course, there are bad designers, but they get filtered out by users not going back to their site. No. As I mentioned in another comment, you can't just pick-and-choose websites like equivalent oranges. Each website is different, and while occasionally you can choose which blog you read, you can't so easily select which government agency you need to engage with. We all have to deal with the designer's choices, good or bad. A tangent, but back to this: > the designer should have control over every pixel on his product. How is it appropriate to discuss the web in this manner? The web is a communication mechanism, and it was intended to be easy for people -- end users, real people -- to make their own webpages. Now it's just for "products" created by professional designers? We have given up so much.
- mozumder 11y ago
  > We all have to deal with the designer's choices, good or bad. You'll have to deal with them anyways. Every government site is pretty much horrible - they don't even need any advanced UI capabilities to make them unusable. This discussion is about enabling advanced UI capabilities for top designers. > How is it appropriate to discuss the web in this manner? The web is a communication mechanism, and it was intended to be easy for people -- end users, real people -- to make their own webpages. The web is a one-way communications medium. It's not a two-way medium. You'll need to go to phone/chat/email for that. And, with a one-way medium, the message should be decided by the sender, not the receiver.
subsection1h 11y ago
I'll keep using ad blockers, user scripts, and user style sheets (I've been using the latter since IE4), and you can keep allowing designers to control every pixel on your screen. Were you disappointed when Flash sites fell out of favor? Users has so little control over those sites.
- mozumder 11y ago
  OK but you're not the audience these sites are designed for. How many fashion sites do you visit? Do you use your own style-sheets when browsing them? How does your own font enhance your shopping for their fashion items?

nfoz 11y ago

> The user should never be given control. > the designer should have control over every pixel on his product. That's why I can't increase the font sizes or zoom in on mobile browsing, to aid my poor eyesight. Sigh. Why should USERS never have control, but you give bad designers a free pass? That's an awfully totalitarian view of computing, and leads to many unbearable situations. > Of course, there are bad designers, but they get filtered out by users not going back to their site. No. As I mentioned in another comment, you can't just pick-and-choose websites like equivalent oranges. Each website is different, and while occasionally you can choose which blog you read, you can't so easily select which government agency you need to engage with. We all have to deal with the designer's choices, good or bad. A tangent, but back to this: > the designer should have control over every pixel on his product. How is it appropriate to discuss the web in this manner? The web is a communication mechanism, and it was intended to be easy for people -- end users, real people -- to make their own webpages. Now it's just for "products" created by professional designers? We have given up so much.

mozumder 11y ago
> We all have to deal with the designer's choices, good or bad. You'll have to deal with them anyways. Every government site is pretty much horrible - they don't even need any advanced UI capabilities to make them unusable. This discussion is about enabling advanced UI capabilities for top designers. > How is it appropriate to discuss the web in this manner? The web is a communication mechanism, and it was intended to be easy for people -- end users, real people -- to make their own webpages. The web is a one-way communications medium. It's not a two-way medium. You'll need to go to phone/chat/email for that. And, with a one-way medium, the message should be decided by the sender, not the receiver.

subsection1h 11y ago

I'll keep using ad blockers, user scripts, and user style sheets (I've been using the latter since IE4), and you can keep allowing designers to control every pixel on your screen. Were you disappointed when Flash sites fell out of favor? Users has so little control over those sites.

mozumder 11y ago
OK but you're not the audience these sites are designed for. How many fashion sites do you visit? Do you use your own style-sheets when browsing them? How does your own font enhance your shopping for their fashion items?