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Note that they don't seem to be proxying opendns's domain...

by bcl 17y ago

blasdel 17y ago
For those who don't know about the referenced shenanigans, OpenDNS proxies google search traffic onto its own servers. OpenDNS: It's neither 'open' nor DNS!
- gojomo 17y ago
  I knew OpenDNS redirected host-not-found traffic to their results page, but hadn't heard of them "prox[ying] google search traffic onto its own servers". Do you have more details?
  - bcl 17y ago
    Here is what google is serving up: [bcl@lister tmp]$ dig www.google.com ; <<>> DiG 9.6.1-P2-RedHat-9.6.1-7.P2.fc11 <<>> www.google.com ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33790 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 7, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.google.com. 603958 IN CNAME www.l.google.com. www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.106 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.103 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.147 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.105 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.99 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.104 ;; Query time: 52 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.101.20#53(192.168.101.20) ;; WHEN: Thu Dec 3 16:44:24 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 148 Here is what opendns serves up: [bcl@lister tmp]$ dig www.google.com @208.67.222.222 ; <<>> DiG 9.6.1-P2-RedHat-9.6.1-7.P2.fc11 <<>> www.google.com @208.67.222.222 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 54658 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.google.com. 30 IN CNAME google.navigation.opendns.com. google.navigation.opendns.com. 30 IN A 208.67.216.230 google.navigation.opendns.com. 30 IN A 208.67.216.231 ;; Query time: 26 msec ;; SERVER: 208.67.222.222#53(208.67.222.222) ;; WHEN: Thu Dec 3 16:47:25 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 104 All your queries are belong to us.
    - gojomo 17y ago
      Wow. I had no idea; that goes way beyond what I expected based on OpenDNS's promotion of their free servers. No more OpenDNS for me.
    - poutine 17y ago
      Read why OpenDNS does this: http://blog.opendns.com/2007/05/22/google-turns-the-page/ http://blog.opendns.com/2007/05/22/google-turns-the-page/
      - rpdillon 17y ago
        I think I commented on that post when it was first posted in 2007, but here it is again: sure, I don't like what Dell/Google did on the new Dell machines. Meh. But that post is filled with so many absurd inaccuracies that I have to simply disregard it. Most prominently: At the top of the page, he shows the exact text that appears on the "horrible" search results page. That text explains exactly how to remove that functionality: "This program can be uninstalled from the Control Panel "Add/Remove Programs" in Windows XP or "Control Panel > Program > Programs and Features" in Windows Vista. Look for the application named "Browser Address Error Redirector". Older versions may be called "GoogleAFE" or "URL Assistant"." He says this statement is "ambiguous". I have no idea how it is ambiguous, but ok. He then goes on to say the software is "hard to remove", and later that "users can't get rid of it!", both of which are outright lies. Installing and uninstalling software is a normal part of owning a computer, and as you can see above, Google's message tells users exactly what to uninstall. The entire process could be completed in 30 seconds. But I have to ask myself every time I read this article: why is this guy going to so much effort to spread inaccuracies that demonize Google for trapping search results and presenting ads? Well, because that is exactly how OpenDNS makes money, and Google threatened their business model. The entire first portion of the post, attacks and all, is present to justify this: "we’ve stretched a bit beyond DNS itself to work around Google’s mis-directed efforts." By going on the offensive, he now tries to justify providing a DNS service that OpeDNS doesn't just resolve hostnames anymore...instead, OpenDNS makes moral judgments about the domains you visit, and, as they trumpet so loudly, "we have a fix which does not require more client software". What this means to me is that whatever OpenDNS is doing, I can't uninstall it, because they own it -- it's not on my machine, it's on theirs. Listen, when I use DNS, there's a contract I expect DNS to fulfill: I give you a name, and you resolve it to an IP or tell me it can't be resolved. It is an outright violation of the contract to resolve a hostname I give you to an address other than that with which it is associated, which is exactly what OpenDNS is doing.

Note that they don't seem to be proxying opendns's domain...

by bcl 17y ago

Note that they don't seem to be proxying opendns's domain...

For those who don't know about the referenced shenanigans, OpenDNS proxies google search traffic onto its own servers. OpenDNS: It's neither 'open' nor DNS!

gojomo 17y ago
I knew OpenDNS redirected host-not-found traffic to their results page, but hadn't heard of them "prox[ying] google search traffic onto its own servers". Do you have more details?
- bcl 17y ago
  Here is what google is serving up: [bcl@lister tmp]$ dig www.google.com ; <<>> DiG 9.6.1-P2-RedHat-9.6.1-7.P2.fc11 <<>> www.google.com ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33790 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 7, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.google.com. 603958 IN CNAME www.l.google.com. www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.106 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.103 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.147 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.105 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.99 www.l.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.53.104 ;; Query time: 52 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.101.20#53(192.168.101.20) ;; WHEN: Thu Dec 3 16:44:24 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 148 Here is what opendns serves up: [bcl@lister tmp]$ dig www.google.com @208.67.222.222 ; <<>> DiG 9.6.1-P2-RedHat-9.6.1-7.P2.fc11 <<>> www.google.com @208.67.222.222 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 54658 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.google.com. 30 IN CNAME google.navigation.opendns.com. google.navigation.opendns.com. 30 IN A 208.67.216.230 google.navigation.opendns.com. 30 IN A 208.67.216.231 ;; Query time: 26 msec ;; SERVER: 208.67.222.222#53(208.67.222.222) ;; WHEN: Thu Dec 3 16:47:25 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 104 All your queries are belong to us.
  - gojomo 17y ago
    Wow. I had no idea; that goes way beyond what I expected based on OpenDNS's promotion of their free servers. No more OpenDNS for me.
  - poutine 17y ago
    Read why OpenDNS does this: http://blog.opendns.com/2007/05/22/google-turns-the-page/ http://blog.opendns.com/2007/05/22/google-turns-the-page/
    - rpdillon 17y ago
      I think I commented on that post when it was first posted in 2007, but here it is again: sure, I don't like what Dell/Google did on the new Dell machines. Meh. But that post is filled with so many absurd inaccuracies that I have to simply disregard it. Most prominently: At the top of the page, he shows the exact text that appears on the "horrible" search results page. That text explains exactly how to remove that functionality: "This program can be uninstalled from the Control Panel "Add/Remove Programs" in Windows XP or "Control Panel > Program > Programs and Features" in Windows Vista. Look for the application named "Browser Address Error Redirector". Older versions may be called "GoogleAFE" or "URL Assistant"." He says this statement is "ambiguous". I have no idea how it is ambiguous, but ok. He then goes on to say the software is "hard to remove", and later that "users can't get rid of it!", both of which are outright lies. Installing and uninstalling software is a normal part of owning a computer, and as you can see above, Google's message tells users exactly what to uninstall. The entire process could be completed in 30 seconds. But I have to ask myself every time I read this article: why is this guy going to so much effort to spread inaccuracies that demonize Google for trapping search results and presenting ads? Well, because that is exactly how OpenDNS makes money, and Google threatened their business model. The entire first portion of the post, attacks and all, is present to justify this: "we’ve stretched a bit beyond DNS itself to work around Google’s mis-directed efforts." By going on the offensive, he now tries to justify providing a DNS service that OpeDNS doesn't just resolve hostnames anymore...instead, OpenDNS makes moral judgments about the domains you visit, and, as they trumpet so loudly, "we have a fix which does not require more client software". What this means to me is that whatever OpenDNS is doing, I can't uninstall it, because they own it -- it's not on my machine, it's on theirs. Listen, when I use DNS, there's a contract I expect DNS to fulfill: I give you a name, and you resolve it to an IP or tell me it can't be resolved. It is an outright violation of the contract to resolve a hostname I give you to an address other than that with which it is associated, which is exactly what OpenDNS is doing.