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Just curious... what has changed in C++ land so suddenly? It was hard to get any improvement in language out for like a decade and how we are seeing C++14 featu

by sytelus 11y ago

Just curious... what has changed in C++ land so suddenly? It was hard to get any improvement in language out for like a decade and how we are seeing C++14 features already standardized and implemented in just an year!! Something dramatic has happened in C++ standardization process but can't find much information on that.

pmelendez 11y ago
Herb Sutter gives a hint of what's going on in this video: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/Keynote-Herb-Sutter-One-Cpp https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/Keynote-He...
- kbd 11y ago
  Thanks for the link! Would you mind summarizing a few relevant points from the hour and a half long video? ;)
  - pmelendez 11y ago
    He mentioned stuff like shifting from an static to a living language (figuratively speaking and mostly referring to the revision frequency). There were also a proposal to include mature libraries into the standard (i.e boost, cairo, etc. He also said that was impossible with number of people on the comittee and they included more members in the form of study groups focusing in different features/libraries. I believe the major points would be that they recognized the need to make the ISO C++ revision cycle faster
    - obstinate 11y ago
      I'm also curious what proportion of the committee was made up of "old guard" folks ten years ago compared to today.
      - FabioFracassi 11y ago
        Well since there were ~30-50 regulars on the committee before 2012 and attendance is now closer to ~100 (can't find the source now, IIRC one of Herbs talks) it is quite easy to see that there is lot of "fresh blood".
istvan__ 11y ago
The sudden drop in the user base, people left for languages with all the features mentioned in this post? I am not sure....
gtani 11y ago
I'll have to look it up, but after ISO approved the 03 standard, the committee thought there was a waiting period before the next draft standard could be worked on, is my hazy recollection (there wasn't any wait period, but that took at least a decent chunk of time)

by sytelus 11y ago

pmelendez 11y ago

Herb Sutter gives a hint of what's going on in this video: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/Keynote-Herb-Sutter-One-Cpp https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/Keynote-He...

kbd 11y ago
Thanks for the link! Would you mind summarizing a few relevant points from the hour and a half long video? ;)
- pmelendez 11y ago
  He mentioned stuff like shifting from an static to a living language (figuratively speaking and mostly referring to the revision frequency). There were also a proposal to include mature libraries into the standard (i.e boost, cairo, etc. He also said that was impossible with number of people on the comittee and they included more members in the form of study groups focusing in different features/libraries. I believe the major points would be that they recognized the need to make the ISO C++ revision cycle faster
  - obstinate 11y ago
    I'm also curious what proportion of the committee was made up of "old guard" folks ten years ago compared to today.
    - FabioFracassi 11y ago
      Well since there were ~30-50 regulars on the committee before 2012 and attendance is now closer to ~100 (can't find the source now, IIRC one of Herbs talks) it is quite easy to see that there is lot of "fresh blood".

istvan__ 11y ago

The sudden drop in the user base, people left for languages with all the features mentioned in this post? I am not sure....

gtani 11y ago

I'll have to look it up, but after ISO approved the 03 standard, the committee thought there was a waiting period before the next draft standard could be worked on, is my hazy recollection (there wasn't any wait period, but that took at least a decent chunk of time)