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He said "it's a shame" not "they're being stupid". Because these physical anthropologists are probably not part of some grand conspiracy against Native America

He said "it's a shame" not "they're being stupid". Because these physical anthropologists are probably not part of some grand conspiracy against Native Americans or anyone else. They probably just want to know how humans originally migrated into the Americas. Because, you know, they're scientists, and scientists are curious.

Mz 11y ago
The problem with your remark is the implicit assumption that there is more "shame" in the lack of trust Native Americans have for whites than in the atrocities committed by whites that engendered that lack of trust, as if scientific curiosity justifies sweeping aside their very legitimate concerns and the long history of genocide here. Anyway, I do not plan to participate further in this discussion. My absence is not to be read as tacit admission of having lost the argument or some such. My concern is the HN algorithm. I don't want it dumped from the front page because excessive replies from me trip some unthinking, automatic algorithm switch.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > The problem with your remark is the implicit assumption that there is more "shame" in the lack of trust Native Americans have for whites than in the atrocities committed by whites that engendered that lack of trust I don't see any reason to infer that message from the remark in question. The remark is about the refusal and distrust, and notes that the distrust is a shame. In neither states nor implies anything comparative about the relation between that and any other situation that may or may not also be a shame, including, inter alia, those that contributed to the one being discussed.
- stephengillie 11y ago
  You seem to be very sensitive about this entire topic. I am sorry if my comments offended or harmed you.
omegaworks 11y ago
The federal government forcibly sterilized Native American women without consent under the guise of medical treatment. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/543.html http://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/543.html This is not fantasy. This is reality. The wounds are fresh.

Mz 11y ago

The problem with your remark is the implicit assumption that there is more "shame" in the lack of trust Native Americans have for whites than in the atrocities committed by whites that engendered that lack of trust, as if scientific curiosity justifies sweeping aside their very legitimate concerns and the long history of genocide here. Anyway, I do not plan to participate further in this discussion. My absence is not to be read as tacit admission of having lost the argument or some such. My concern is the HN algorithm. I don't want it dumped from the front page because excessive replies from me trip some unthinking, automatic algorithm switch.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> The problem with your remark is the implicit assumption that there is more "shame" in the lack of trust Native Americans have for whites than in the atrocities committed by whites that engendered that lack of trust I don't see any reason to infer that message from the remark in question. The remark is about the refusal and distrust, and notes that the distrust is a shame. In neither states nor implies anything comparative about the relation between that and any other situation that may or may not also be a shame, including, inter alia, those that contributed to the one being discussed.
stephengillie 11y ago
You seem to be very sensitive about this entire topic. I am sorry if my comments offended or harmed you.

omegaworks 11y ago

The federal government forcibly sterilized Native American women without consent under the guise of medical treatment. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/543.html http://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/543.html This is not fantasy. This is reality. The wounds are fresh.