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(3) The Client may not infringe statutory prohibitions, moral standards or the rights of third parties (copyright law, trademark law, rights to the name

by rndn 11y ago

(3) The Client may not infringe statutory prohibitions, moral standards or the rights of third parties (copyright law, trademark law, rights to the name and data protection law etc.) through his use of his website or the banners that appear on the website. […] In the event of any infringement of one of the aforementioned obligations, the Provider shall be entitled to suspend the provision of his services with immediate effect or to block access to the Client’s information. https://www.hosteurope.de/download/General_Terms_and_Conditions_of_Business_of_HE_english.pdf https://www.hosteurope.de/download/General_Terms_and_Conditi... IANAL, but this may count as moral standards of third parties.

lingben 11y ago
So hypothetically hosteurope.de could take down almost any fashion blog or picture of a woman hosted on their servers because in Saudi Arabia it is illegal to show a woman's body? http://observers.france24.com/content/20090601-spot-difference-saudi-style-album-magazine-covers-censorship-marker-pen http://observers.france24.com/content/20090601-spot-differen... Yes, a bit facetious but the point is that such a 'moral' clause is so wide that it can be misused at will. What is moral for one person may not be for another and what's moral in one society may not be in another. Beyond that, it must be noted that hosteurope.de did not cite this as their reason. They did not use the 'moral' clause but their exact words were 'politically incorrect'.
- Twirrim 11y ago
  Yes they could if they choose to. So just don't use them for your hosting if you have such concerns. I know I wouldn't choose them (though I'm not exactly in the market for a hosting company at the moment)
  - zo1 11y ago
    And those of us who wouldn't have thought too-much about it, will now definitely not use this hosting provider.
x5n1 11y ago
> moral standards there is no such thing as a "moral standard".
- shiggerino 11y ago
  There most certainly are. But like technical standards, they're a dime a dozen.
  - x5n1 11y ago
    Usually moral standards unlike technical standards are shrouded in lies in hypocrisy.
    - shiggerino 11y ago
      I guess you haven't seen ISO 29500.
      - x5n1 11y ago
        rofl

by rndn 11y ago

lingben 11y ago

So hypothetically hosteurope.de could take down almost any fashion blog or picture of a woman hosted on their servers because in Saudi Arabia it is illegal to show a woman's body? http://observers.france24.com/content/20090601-spot-difference-saudi-style-album-magazine-covers-censorship-marker-pen http://observers.france24.com/content/20090601-spot-differen... Yes, a bit facetious but the point is that such a 'moral' clause is so wide that it can be misused at will. What is moral for one person may not be for another and what's moral in one society may not be in another. Beyond that, it must be noted that hosteurope.de did not cite this as their reason. They did not use the 'moral' clause but their exact words were 'politically incorrect'.

Twirrim 11y ago
Yes they could if they choose to. So just don't use them for your hosting if you have such concerns. I know I wouldn't choose them (though I'm not exactly in the market for a hosting company at the moment)
- zo1 11y ago
  And those of us who wouldn't have thought too-much about it, will now definitely not use this hosting provider.

x5n1 11y ago

> moral standards there is no such thing as a "moral standard".

shiggerino 11y ago
There most certainly are. But like technical standards, they're a dime a dozen.
- x5n1 11y ago
  Usually moral standards unlike technical standards are shrouded in lies in hypocrisy.
  - shiggerino 11y ago
    I guess you haven't seen ISO 29500.
    - x5n1 11y ago
      rofl