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Good. It's getting tiring seeing bigots, racists and assholes hide behind the veil of "free speech"
by zajd 11y ago
Good. It's getting tiring seeing bigots, racists and assholes hide behind the veil of "free speech"
- steveeq1 11y agoReally? Would you rally behind an Ice Cube CD being banned over racist lyrical content?
- zajd 11y agoIf I thought Ice Cube was a racist asshole hiding behind "free speech" I would. Kind of like RaHoWa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahowa_(band) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahowa_(band)
- steveeq1 11y agoIce cube lyrics from song "Black Korea". Arent you going to rally against this too? Every time I want to go get a fucking brew I gotta go down to the store with the two Oriental one-penny-counting motherfuckers; They make a nigger mad enough to cause a little ruckus. Thinking every brother in the world’s out to take, So they watch every damn move that I make. They hope I don’t pull out a Gat, try to rob Their funky little store but, bitch, I got a job. So don’t follow me up and down your market Or your little chop suey ass will be a target Of a nationwide boycott. Juice with the people, that’s what the boy got. So pay respect to the black fist Or we’ll burn your store right down to a crisp. And then we’ll see ya… ‘Cause you can’t turn the ghetto into black Korea.
- zajd 11y agoNo because I understand the difference between art and conversation.
- steveeq1 11y agoAnd RaHoWa isn't?
- anaptdemise 11y agoYet, apparently fail to understand what constitutes speech.
- FireBeyond 11y agoIf Ice Cube was trying to find people's Facebook accounts, addresses or other information and then actively harass them, then yes, I would.
- steveeq1 11y agoThen the issue isn't free speech, the issue is brigading.
- joshuapants 11y ago"Free speech except for things I find distasteful" isn't free speech at all.
- zajd 11y agoI think hate speech should be made illegal in America like it is in the rest of the civilized world.
- Goronmon 11y agoSo, then posts like yours should be made illegal? Seems you are hating on America pretty hard. We can't have that now, can we?
- joshuapants 11y agoI'm sure that law wouldn't be abused to silence dissenters ever
- zajd 11y ago"Who watches the watchers" is a problem we have to deal with in EVERY aspect of law. There is a reason we have a judicial system and due process. There's no reason to think hate speech legislation wouldn't be treated the same way.
- theorique 11y agoIn Canada, "human rights tribunals" have been weaponized to attack journalists and writers. See, for example, the case of Mark Steyn, who has been harassed by Islamic extremists deploying "lawfare" techniques to silence his freedom of speech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_complaints_against_Maclean%27s_magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_complaints_agains...
- markbnj 11y agoThat's an awfully deprecating comment about a basic and fundamental human right. How can you have freedom without it also empowering people you'd rather weren't empowered? Have we all lost the ability to be discerning? So now we need outside entities to curate what we see, to protect our delicate sensibilities? Sorry, not me. I vastly prefer the risk of running into distasteful crap.
- zajd 11y agoFreedom and laws are not mutually exclusive. Some forms of speech should not be allowed, specifically hatespeech.
- cp9 11y agoThe only people who don't understand this are those who spout these things themselves. They also don't understand private vs public or freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences
- bduerst 11y agoI'm the first to say that private organizations are not required to host or entertain someone else's hate speech, but that doesn't mean that government organizations should be censoring it. That's the key difference here. And the fact that the host didn't give them a heads up about the service cancellation.
- markbnj 11y agoAgreed, and I should make it clear that I don't believe a private hosting company should have to serve any client they would rather not serve. Personally, if I were going into the hosting business I would set a policy up front that we're not in the business of moderating content, just because I think taking responsibility for it would be a nightmare. But I'm not in the hosting business and they should be able to do as they wish. Having done this, though, they will be obligated to continue policing the content on their system, or run the risk of being accused of bias.
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- lingben 11y agoif you feel that way, then reddit is by far the larger community when it comes to bigots, racists and assholes than voat.co because they are the home to /r/GasTheKikes and /r/coontown and many many other reprehensible subreddits even so, you are still wrong because free speech means exactly that, speech that you or I may not agree with. if it were limited to speech that only some or the majority aligned with then it wouldn't be called 'free speech' would it?
- zajd 11y agoFor the record, I would cheer those subreddits getting banned as well. Don't mistake my comments for a defense of reddit.
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- s73v3r 11y agoFree speech is freedom from government censorship. A private company is not obligated to host your filth.
- lingben 11y agoAnd yet they do, check out /r/GasTheKikes or /r/coontown or many other examples
- chazu 11y agoFree speech also refers to a closely-held cultural value in the US, that is to say the respect for private citizens to hold and espouse beliefs which others find distasteful or offensive. Saying "free speech only refers to the government censoring you" (at least in the context of America) is like saying that American society and culture consist _solely_ of the official bureaucratic proceedings of its constituent governmental bodies. In other words, its intellectually dishonest.
- s73v3r 11y agoNo, it isn't. Further, why is the company obligated to associate themselves with your filth? Do they not have the right to not be associated with it?
- tomjen3 11y agoThere is no such thing as "free speech". There is only free speech or censorship and there is no such thing as hiding behind free speech. The company behind is not obligated to host it, but that is not relevant for your comment.
- zajd 11y agoFalse dichotomy. Try again.
- tomjen3 11y agoI don't need to try again when I am right the first time. You however need to lay of with your sockpuppets.
- zajd 11y agosockpuppets? This is my only account
- dang 11y agoAccusations of astroturfing, sockpuppetry, and shillage aren't allowed on HN. Please don't do this again. (If anyone wants to know why, follow the links back from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9277068. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9277068.)
- tomjen3 11y agoBack when I originally read the rules I didn't see that. Won't do it again.