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So no further correction on my apparent misunderstanding of EEO and the malevolent racism that is the Rooney Rule? None needed. I refuted you with the very fir

by _pius 11y ago

So no further correction on my apparent misunderstanding of EEO and the malevolent racism that is the Rooney Rule? None needed. I refuted you with the very first thing I said; the Rooney Rule isn't a hiring preference. Yet you've blithely continued to assert this and other falsehoods all across the thread. In fact, you said: "To quickly sum up my thoughts on why it is essentially a quota in practice: If you do not hire more marginalized groups, you'll be accused of not honoring the Rooney Rule." Well, that's just something you made up ... and it turns out to be completely false. There's actual data about how organizations have fared in implementing the policy. No need to rely on opinions from random White Pride concern trolls sea-lioning discussions on Hacker News. Moreover, it's absurd to imply that an organization can't improve its process without exposing itself to liability. The Rooney Rule is a simple, effective way to ameliorate the selection bias that exists in many hiring processes: no more, no less. That's a far cry from your claim that implementing the Rooney Rule is some admission of liability. You literally don't know what you're talking about ... or are pretending not to. There's no point in engaging with someone who's being willfully obtuse and that goes double for anonymous, pseudo-intellectual, race-baiting trolls.

Nadya 11y ago
It forces at least one interview of a minority, (malevolent racism). That's quite literally the entire point. [0] This also discriminates against white coaches: no interview of them is required if the first interview is of a minority. Which is racist, by the way. Everyone seems to hate discrimination until it favors them. >None needed. I refuted you with the very first thing I said; the Rooney Rule isn't a hiring preference. It's purpose is implied to be - without explicitly stating it. But why believe me? Listen to Robert Gulliver instead. >In the wake of no minority hirings to fill eight head coaching and seven general management vacancies following the conclusion of the 2012 NFL regular season, NFL Executive Vice president of Human Resources Robert Gulliver stated, "While there has been full compliance with the interview requirements of the Rooney Rule and we wish the new head coaches and general managers much success, the hiring results this year have been unexpected and reflect a disappointing lack of diversity." Can you explain what is disappointing about full compliance of the rule? It sounds a lot like the implied quotas I mentioned before weren't met because not enough of the minority interviews were being hired after their Rooney-Required interview. I'm also not the only person to see it for what it is: racist [1]. Many potential minority interviewees also turn down the interview because they know it is "just to comply with the Rooney Rule" and they have 0-chance of getting the job, as the team has already determined their next coach (who happens to be white: so they require a minority interview) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule [1] http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/06/apparent-rooney-rule-loophole-doesnt-exist/ http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/06/apparent-roo...

by _pius 11y ago

Nadya 11y ago

It forces at least one interview of a minority, (malevolent racism). That's quite literally the entire point. [0] This also discriminates against white coaches: no interview of them is required if the first interview is of a minority. Which is racist, by the way. Everyone seems to hate discrimination until it favors them. >None needed. I refuted you with the very first thing I said; the Rooney Rule isn't a hiring preference. It's purpose is implied to be - without explicitly stating it. But why believe me? Listen to Robert Gulliver instead. >In the wake of no minority hirings to fill eight head coaching and seven general management vacancies following the conclusion of the 2012 NFL regular season, NFL Executive Vice president of Human Resources Robert Gulliver stated, "While there has been full compliance with the interview requirements of the Rooney Rule and we wish the new head coaches and general managers much success, the hiring results this year have been unexpected and reflect a disappointing lack of diversity." Can you explain what is disappointing about full compliance of the rule? It sounds a lot like the implied quotas I mentioned before weren't met because not enough of the minority interviews were being hired after their Rooney-Required interview. I'm also not the only person to see it for what it is: racist [1]. Many potential minority interviewees also turn down the interview because they know it is "just to comply with the Rooney Rule" and they have 0-chance of getting the job, as the team has already determined their next coach (who happens to be white: so they require a minority interview) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule [1] http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/06/apparent-rooney-rule-loophole-doesnt-exist/ http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/06/apparent-roo...