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I hear you, I really do. I wish I had not met so many brilliant people that have the linus attitude. I would say maybe linus influenced them, but they are bot
by spotman 11y ago
I hear you, I really do.
I wish I had not met so many brilliant people that have the linus attitude. I would say maybe linus influenced them, but they are both on the windows and linux sides.
These people I continue to work with because they have taught me so much. They have been hard on me when I have been wrong and they have mentored me. I certainly would not be where I am if I did not grow thick skin.
However, I would definitely draw the line if I was ever harassed or was in a toxic community. I never got into IRC or Python. Maybe thats the key?
Linux, on the other hand, I don't classify as "toxic", overall, do you? I do occasionally read the LKML ( I don't subscribe ) and I have certainly seem some edgy behavior there, and times I think its overboard. Opinionated? Check. Intimidating? Check. But toxic?
It's really hard to speculate how many people have avoided working with linux because of this. There is certainly other communities such as FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc. They seem to not have anywhere near the traction linux has, which would lean to indicate that what we are talking about did not hinder the success of linux, or prevent people from contributing to it at large.
- sanswork 11y ago>I would definitely draw the line if I was ever harassed or was in a toxic community But it looks like you wouldn't. From what you're saying you would probably just say your skin wasn't thick enough and you needed to toughen up more. I think the Linux community has been toxic at times. I don't think the whole community is toxic though. It's such a huge ecosystem with lots of people having control of different parts of it though. If it was just intimidating because it was highly technical than I'd agree with it not being toxic. The fact that it is intimidating because you don't know if someone is going to rip into you and insult you over a misunderstanding is what makes it toxic. OpenBSD is worse so it's funny you bring it up. Linux is successful despite the negative aspects not because of them. There are thousands of OS(and private) projects and groups that have died or been forked away from because of toxicity. You and me are very unlikely to be the target of harassment so it's easy for us to miss it or think it is rare. That doesn't mean it's not there.
- spotman 11y ago> But it looks like you wouldn't By your definition of toxic, your absolutely correct. With my definition of toxic, I would. My definition of toxic includes racism, harassment, and misogyny. I feel like most people agree those are toxic, but I guess it is what else gets added to the list, and is it a suggestion, or something we enforce. The more things that are enforced, and the bigger this list gets, the more this feels the opposite of simple, and not very go-like. OpenBSD is also known for having some of the most secure code around.