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I suspect parent poster's point is that the HOA board are not who you are accountable to. You are accountable to the HOA rules. The board enforces them. Most HO

I suspect parent poster's point is that the HOA board are not who you are accountable to. You are accountable to the HOA rules. The board enforces them. Most HOAs I've encountered are structured in a way that prevents boards from making significant changes to the bylaws. A good set of HOA bylaws require a super-majority to make major changes to key points. If you weren't allowed to rent, was that also the case when you bought the house, or did that change during your ownership? It's hard to blame the HOA for enforcing rules that were available for your review at the time of purchase.

toomuchtodo 11y ago
> If you weren't allowed to rent, was that also the case when you bought the house, or did that change during your ownership? It's hard to blame the HOA for enforcing rules that were available for your review at the time of purchase. Most HOAs have a limit as to the number of units that can be rented out due to FHA/Fannie/Freddie GSE financing guidelines, as they want the complex to be owner-occupied primarily. Several people, unbeknownst to me, had purchased their units with the intent to rent them out, causing our limit to be reached before I had even purchased.
- eclipxe 11y ago
  Sounds like you couldn't live within their rules then. Why rail against the HOA? Those provisions are there for a reason and it seems like you understood the reason.
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    > Why rail against the HOA? If an HOA doesn't maintain or improve your property value, can you provide what purpose it serves over traditional local government (besides collecting dues for shared landscaping needs or common area maintenance)? I rail against unnecessary bureaucracy whenever possible, especially HOAs.
    - eclipxe 11y ago
      Keep a consistent standard of quality across the community, which has immense value for me.
      - toomuchtodo 11y ago
        If you're happy with a non-essential non-governmental organization body exerting that amount of control over your property, more power to you. I'll continue to push my legislators hard, both at the local and state level, to remove whatever power is available to them.
        eclipxe 11y ago
        Serious question, why do you look to de-power the legislators at your local and state level? if you don't agree with them, find a state/city/county with policies and government you agree with. Unless you disagree with all forms of governance, in which case there is no point in discussion.
        toomuchtodo 11y ago
        > Serious question, why do you look to de-power the legislators at your local and state level? if you don't agree with them, find a state/city/county with policies and government you agree with. Unless you disagree with all forms of governance, in which case there is no point in discussion. I look to de-power HOAs, not local or state government. Government should be accountable; HOAs have been proven to not be.
    - dragontamer 11y ago
      > traditional local government Some counties don't have much traditional local government. Some cities are very well regulated, and HOAs aren't needed. Others are just unregistered unregulated cities for the most part. I mean, most counties do provide police and school services. But my HOA resolves parking issues (including the cost of towing vehicles), as well as pothole repairs. In another nearby county, the county presumably covers those sorts of issues and HOAs are much smaller (the other county is more urban)
dpark 11y ago
> It's hard to blame the HOA for enforcing rules that were available for your review at the time of purchase. That's kind of an odd assertion. You can't blame the HOA for the HOA rules? Sure, you have some responsibility yourself if you didn't read over the rules, but that doesn't mean the HOA rules can't in themselves be terrible.
- bradleyland 11y ago
  That is exactly what I meant.

toomuchtodo 11y ago

> If you weren't allowed to rent, was that also the case when you bought the house, or did that change during your ownership? It's hard to blame the HOA for enforcing rules that were available for your review at the time of purchase. Most HOAs have a limit as to the number of units that can be rented out due to FHA/Fannie/Freddie GSE financing guidelines, as they want the complex to be owner-occupied primarily. Several people, unbeknownst to me, had purchased their units with the intent to rent them out, causing our limit to be reached before I had even purchased.

eclipxe 11y ago
Sounds like you couldn't live within their rules then. Why rail against the HOA? Those provisions are there for a reason and it seems like you understood the reason.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  > Why rail against the HOA? If an HOA doesn't maintain or improve your property value, can you provide what purpose it serves over traditional local government (besides collecting dues for shared landscaping needs or common area maintenance)? I rail against unnecessary bureaucracy whenever possible, especially HOAs.
  - eclipxe 11y ago
    Keep a consistent standard of quality across the community, which has immense value for me.
    - toomuchtodo 11y ago
      If you're happy with a non-essential non-governmental organization body exerting that amount of control over your property, more power to you. I'll continue to push my legislators hard, both at the local and state level, to remove whatever power is available to them.
      - eclipxe 11y ago
        Serious question, why do you look to de-power the legislators at your local and state level? if you don't agree with them, find a state/city/county with policies and government you agree with. Unless you disagree with all forms of governance, in which case there is no point in discussion.
        toomuchtodo 11y ago
        > Serious question, why do you look to de-power the legislators at your local and state level? if you don't agree with them, find a state/city/county with policies and government you agree with. Unless you disagree with all forms of governance, in which case there is no point in discussion. I look to de-power HOAs, not local or state government. Government should be accountable; HOAs have been proven to not be.
  - dragontamer 11y ago
    > traditional local government Some counties don't have much traditional local government. Some cities are very well regulated, and HOAs aren't needed. Others are just unregistered unregulated cities for the most part. I mean, most counties do provide police and school services. But my HOA resolves parking issues (including the cost of towing vehicles), as well as pothole repairs. In another nearby county, the county presumably covers those sorts of issues and HOAs are much smaller (the other county is more urban)

dpark 11y ago

> It's hard to blame the HOA for enforcing rules that were available for your review at the time of purchase. That's kind of an odd assertion. You can't blame the HOA for the HOA rules? Sure, you have some responsibility yourself if you didn't read over the rules, but that doesn't mean the HOA rules can't in themselves be terrible.

bradleyland 11y ago
That is exactly what I meant.