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>GitHub has a paid business model, so I think they're less likely to be tempted by the dark side So did Sourceforge. Github has competition in business space (

by Grue3 11y ago

>GitHub has a paid business model, so I think they're less likely to be tempted by the dark side So did Sourceforge. Github has competition in business space (Gitlab Enterprise, Stash) and if it falls out of favor with businesses, anything can happen.

merb 11y ago
Stash is not a competition. GitLab is. Stash just falls more behind every update. Look the release Notes of 3.10 and 3.9. I mean it took from 2.8 to 3.8 that you could use "go get". And still Stash won't implement git protocol in the near future (while gitlab and github enterprise both have this) https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/STASH-2508 https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/STASH-2508 however they released a read-only plugin since stash 3.8 READ ONLY.. and there are even more issue's to come that stash won't support or support in the near future. Gitlab and github enterprise are so far ahead of stash and there is another github like solution coming that is written in go. Also stash is slower than Gitlab, even while gitlab is coded in ruby. Also the CI, way easier to setup (and cheaper) than the stash way of linking their projects.
- sytse 11y ago
  GitLab CEO here, glad to hear you're happy with our progress. New CI version with .gitlab-ci.yml coming on Monday :)
  - merb 11y ago
    Wow thats great! Yeah especially your CI is really really easy to setup for small customers like us. No more XML dangling inside Jenkins or unnecessary options. Just an easy script + your multi runner.. The only thing thats bad on GitLab is that you don't have a Startup license for Enterprise, so we are running Community, since we are only 4 people. However the only things that are won't as good as on your enterprise version is the linking with jira, which however we need since the standard "issues" are just not enough for us. However thats not a fault of gitlab itself. they are good enough for the most things / projects.
    - sytse 11y ago
      I understand your issue, if you want to use GitLab with Jira as a small company the minimum subscription is for 10 people (slightly less than $400 per year). We think this is needed to provide good support. What features would you need in GitLab issues to make the switch from Jira.
      - merb 11y ago
        Currently we provide our partners Jira access, however they need a simple way to create issue's without knowing everything about the codebase. Also we use Jira Agile, which is stunningly awesome and simple. However we just use a half of JIRA's feature so providing a better way to define issue's for external without code access would definitly help. Also I'm looking forward to migrate away from stash / jira as soon as possible however we have a 3 year subscription which is now at it's half so we need another year to finally go to GitLab Enterprise.
        sytse 11y ago
        If you want to give people access to the issues without the code consider making guest accounts for them. https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/doc/permissions/permissions.md https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/doc/perm...
- dfabulich 11y ago
  Stash's feature is reliable performance and support. Github.com goes down; Github Enterprise crawls on very large repositories. (Not everybody's, of course, but the bigger they come, the worse Github performs, and the more money the customer is worth.) When you call Github support, a support engineer will tell you, "At Github, engineers work on projects that we find interesting. Github Enterprise doesn't get that much interest on our team." When you call Atlassian support, they fix your problem.
  - merb 11y ago
    they won't. maybe they only look at their bigger customers? ;)

by Grue3 11y ago

merb 11y ago

Stash is not a competition. GitLab is. Stash just falls more behind every update. Look the release Notes of 3.10 and 3.9. I mean it took from 2.8 to 3.8 that you could use "go get". And still Stash won't implement git protocol in the near future (while gitlab and github enterprise both have this) https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/STASH-2508 https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/STASH-2508 however they released a read-only plugin since stash 3.8 READ ONLY.. and there are even more issue's to come that stash won't support or support in the near future. Gitlab and github enterprise are so far ahead of stash and there is another github like solution coming that is written in go. Also stash is slower than Gitlab, even while gitlab is coded in ruby. Also the CI, way easier to setup (and cheaper) than the stash way of linking their projects.

sytse 11y ago
GitLab CEO here, glad to hear you're happy with our progress. New CI version with .gitlab-ci.yml coming on Monday :)
- merb 11y ago
  Wow thats great! Yeah especially your CI is really really easy to setup for small customers like us. No more XML dangling inside Jenkins or unnecessary options. Just an easy script + your multi runner.. The only thing thats bad on GitLab is that you don't have a Startup license for Enterprise, so we are running Community, since we are only 4 people. However the only things that are won't as good as on your enterprise version is the linking with jira, which however we need since the standard "issues" are just not enough for us. However thats not a fault of gitlab itself. they are good enough for the most things / projects.
  - sytse 11y ago
    I understand your issue, if you want to use GitLab with Jira as a small company the minimum subscription is for 10 people (slightly less than $400 per year). We think this is needed to provide good support. What features would you need in GitLab issues to make the switch from Jira.
    - merb 11y ago
      Currently we provide our partners Jira access, however they need a simple way to create issue's without knowing everything about the codebase. Also we use Jira Agile, which is stunningly awesome and simple. However we just use a half of JIRA's feature so providing a better way to define issue's for external without code access would definitly help. Also I'm looking forward to migrate away from stash / jira as soon as possible however we have a 3 year subscription which is now at it's half so we need another year to finally go to GitLab Enterprise.
      - sytse 11y ago
        If you want to give people access to the issues without the code consider making guest accounts for them. https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/doc/permissions/permissions.md https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/doc/perm...
dfabulich 11y ago
Stash's feature is reliable performance and support. Github.com goes down; Github Enterprise crawls on very large repositories. (Not everybody's, of course, but the bigger they come, the worse Github performs, and the more money the customer is worth.) When you call Github support, a support engineer will tell you, "At Github, engineers work on projects that we find interesting. Github Enterprise doesn't get that much interest on our team." When you call Atlassian support, they fix your problem.
- merb 11y ago
  they won't. maybe they only look at their bigger customers? ;)