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It's about educating developers to make an informed decision. I don't know why that's supposed to be religious.

matthewmacleod 11y ago
I guess it's the abstract, evangelical nature of it that makes it comparable to religion in some ways. The implicit assumption you're making is that developers are not making an informed decision already. I reckon that's not the case, and the developers are informed – they just don't care. Arguments about long-term, abstract concepts like enduring freedom of software, or the risk of patent litigation for using non-copyleft software, are valuable to have. But these things have a limited impact in the short-term, day-to-day work of developers.
- userulluipeste 11y ago
  "the developers are informed – they just don't care" We can't take that for granted. I for one found the article very useful and informing, raising my awareness about this next Apple stunt.
  - gambiter 11y ago
    Except, nearly the entire article is based on speculation. Speculation doesn't raise awareness, it simply makes you think you're informed. In reality, you're just accepting someone else's biased opinions.
cactusface 11y ago
It's proselytizing.
kybernetyk 11y ago
I didn't say it's religious. I just said it reminds me of a religious black&white world view: There's the bad thing that will land you in hell and then there's our thing that will save your soul. Don't know. It's the whole style. Phrases like "Apple's pathological hatred of copyleft" just don't sit well with me. If you want to educate me: fine, do it. But at least try to avoid sounding like a fanatic.
stephenr 11y ago
The problem is that posts like this one strongly suggest that anything but a decision to fully embrace the GPL is somehow wrong.
d_theorist 11y ago
I think a better word might be bigoted. The author seems to have strong intolerance for anybody who doesn't share his precise view of software licensing.
madeofpalk 11y ago
I think to me its so about how preachy it all is. It's summed up by me with > their goal is to end copyleft compilers. Copyleft has nothing to do with this. Apple just want to make a better compiler. If a copyleft compiler is thrown by the wayside in the process, or they choose not to release under a copyleft license, that's just collateral. Stop being so preachy and making Apple out to be malicious. They just don't care.

I guess it's the abstract, evangelical nature of it that makes it comparable to religion in some ways. The implicit assumption you're making is that developers are not making an informed decision already. I reckon that's not the case, and the developers are informed – they just don't care. Arguments about long-term, abstract concepts like enduring freedom of software, or the risk of patent litigation for using non-copyleft software, are valuable to have. But these things have a limited impact in the short-term, day-to-day work of developers.

userulluipeste 11y ago
"the developers are informed – they just don't care" We can't take that for granted. I for one found the article very useful and informing, raising my awareness about this next Apple stunt.
- gambiter 11y ago
  Except, nearly the entire article is based on speculation. Speculation doesn't raise awareness, it simply makes you think you're informed. In reality, you're just accepting someone else's biased opinions.

cactusface 11y ago

It's proselytizing.

kybernetyk 11y ago

I didn't say it's religious. I just said it reminds me of a religious black&white world view: There's the bad thing that will land you in hell and then there's our thing that will save your soul. Don't know. It's the whole style. Phrases like "Apple's pathological hatred of copyleft" just don't sit well with me. If you want to educate me: fine, do it. But at least try to avoid sounding like a fanatic.

stephenr 11y ago

The problem is that posts like this one strongly suggest that anything but a decision to fully embrace the GPL is somehow wrong.

d_theorist 11y ago

I think a better word might be bigoted. The author seems to have strong intolerance for anybody who doesn't share his precise view of software licensing.

madeofpalk 11y ago

I think to me its so about how preachy it all is. It's summed up by me with > their goal is to end copyleft compilers. Copyleft has nothing to do with this. Apple just want to make a better compiler. If a copyleft compiler is thrown by the wayside in the process, or they choose not to release under a copyleft license, that's just collateral. Stop being so preachy and making Apple out to be malicious. They just don't care.