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they already do collect medicare and social security from foreign workers.

by sremani 11y ago

daurnimator 11y ago
You can get it back when you turn 65.
- mahyarm 11y ago
  No you cannot, unless you have been paying into the system for 10 years. If you have, then you probably have a green card by then. If not, you should get one anyway since you've spent a decade of your life in the country that your pretty much american by that point. Legally and paying a lot of taxes. You would never get medicare treatment as only an H1-B worker, since if your unemployed, you cannot stay in the country long enough to be able to use medicare benefits much. So you effectively pay at %12 tax on your income that you will never see the benefits of unless you immigrate.
  - daurnimator 11y ago
    > No you cannot, unless you have been paying into the system for 10 years. Ah yeah; But IIRC, there are some reciprocating treaties that let me get my money out? This mentions that for australians it is reduced to 18 months: https://www.dss.gov.au/about-the-department/international/international-social-security-agreements/current-international-social-security-agreements/factsheet-social-security-agreement-between-australia-and-the-united-states-of-america https://www.dss.gov.au/about-the-department/international/in...
protomyth 11y ago
I want the company that receives the H1B to pay an addition tax on the salary that goes to unemployment. It needs to be something above an beyond what is payed for a citizen. After all, the H1B is supposed to have skills that the local workers don't and thus should be worth the extra money.
- Veratyr 11y ago
  > the H1B is supposed to have skills that the local workers don't Given that, wouldn't it make more sense for the extra money to go into education? How is contributing to unemployment going to get Americans more jobs? What about companies that need the skills but can't afford the more expensive workers? If I'm a small startup with a $200k budget for an <insert niche field> expert but there are no citizens with the skills available (at all), paying $220k may not be an option, leaving me with either a loan or without the skills I need.
  - protomyth 11y ago
    > Given that, wouldn't it make more sense for the extra money to go into education? How is contributing to unemployment going to get Americans more jobs? Unemployment is the result and those budgets are stretched these days. In some place unemployment pays for classes. > What about companies that need the skills but can't afford the more expensive workers? If I'm a small startup with a $200k budget for an <insert niche field> expert but there are no citizens with the skills available (at all), paying $220k may not be an option, leaving me with either a loan or without the skills I need. Why do you think its ok to not pay people the market rate just so you can benefit? Perhaps you need to compensate by equity or profit sharing? Why are workers less valuable then your startup?
    - Veratyr 11y ago
      > Unemployment is the result Unemployment isn't the result of H1B, it's the result of Americans lacking the necessary skills. H1B is also the result of that lack of skill. Yes the H1B is abused but that's a separate issue to what I'm saying. > and those budgets are stretched these days Well you can either increase the budget or reduce the unemployment. One results in unproductive money drain, the other results in more people performing productive tasks. > Why do you think its ok to not pay people the market rate just so you can benefit? I'm not saying not to pay the market rate, I'm saying there's no market. There are 10 people with the skills I need in the country. All of them are at megacorps and being paid $200k, which is the same I'd offer. I'm just a small company, I can't compete with a megacorp.

they already do collect medicare and social security from foreign workers.

by sremani 11y ago

they already do collect medicare and social security from foreign workers.

daurnimator 11y ago

You can get it back when you turn 65.

mahyarm 11y ago
No you cannot, unless you have been paying into the system for 10 years. If you have, then you probably have a green card by then. If not, you should get one anyway since you've spent a decade of your life in the country that your pretty much american by that point. Legally and paying a lot of taxes. You would never get medicare treatment as only an H1-B worker, since if your unemployed, you cannot stay in the country long enough to be able to use medicare benefits much. So you effectively pay at %12 tax on your income that you will never see the benefits of unless you immigrate.
- daurnimator 11y ago
  > No you cannot, unless you have been paying into the system for 10 years. Ah yeah; But IIRC, there are some reciprocating treaties that let me get my money out? This mentions that for australians it is reduced to 18 months: https://www.dss.gov.au/about-the-department/international/international-social-security-agreements/current-international-social-security-agreements/factsheet-social-security-agreement-between-australia-and-the-united-states-of-america https://www.dss.gov.au/about-the-department/international/in...

protomyth 11y ago

I want the company that receives the H1B to pay an addition tax on the salary that goes to unemployment. It needs to be something above an beyond what is payed for a citizen. After all, the H1B is supposed to have skills that the local workers don't and thus should be worth the extra money.

Veratyr 11y ago
> the H1B is supposed to have skills that the local workers don't Given that, wouldn't it make more sense for the extra money to go into education? How is contributing to unemployment going to get Americans more jobs? What about companies that need the skills but can't afford the more expensive workers? If I'm a small startup with a $200k budget for an <insert niche field> expert but there are no citizens with the skills available (at all), paying $220k may not be an option, leaving me with either a loan or without the skills I need.
- protomyth 11y ago
  > Given that, wouldn't it make more sense for the extra money to go into education? How is contributing to unemployment going to get Americans more jobs? Unemployment is the result and those budgets are stretched these days. In some place unemployment pays for classes. > What about companies that need the skills but can't afford the more expensive workers? If I'm a small startup with a $200k budget for an <insert niche field> expert but there are no citizens with the skills available (at all), paying $220k may not be an option, leaving me with either a loan or without the skills I need. Why do you think its ok to not pay people the market rate just so you can benefit? Perhaps you need to compensate by equity or profit sharing? Why are workers less valuable then your startup?
  - Veratyr 11y ago
    > Unemployment is the result Unemployment isn't the result of H1B, it's the result of Americans lacking the necessary skills. H1B is also the result of that lack of skill. Yes the H1B is abused but that's a separate issue to what I'm saying. > and those budgets are stretched these days Well you can either increase the budget or reduce the unemployment. One results in unproductive money drain, the other results in more people performing productive tasks. > Why do you think its ok to not pay people the market rate just so you can benefit? I'm not saying not to pay the market rate, I'm saying there's no market. There are 10 people with the skills I need in the country. All of them are at megacorps and being paid $200k, which is the same I'd offer. I'm just a small company, I can't compete with a megacorp.